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Israel and Iran are not currently at odds with each other in middle east right now?Of course, It is SO EASY and quite tempting to read of these former territories of Persia, Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer, and Togarman and simply decide that God’s Word is more literal than spiritual. Sorry, you do need to have a spiritual understanding about these nations and what they wear and armed with. It is not what you think they are!
I have responded to posts you have made full of a multitude of questions and statements, with 15 posts in the last day alone.
Now, you go off on a splurge of random questions - and the response to some of which take very long extended explanations. And want to claim I am not answering questions? Anyone can machine gun a hundred questions, TS.
The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel. Not the church. Jesus was not born to the church. The church did not exist at that time.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Israel and Iran are not currently at odds with each other in middle east right now?
"national Israel" "covenant Israel". These are term you come up with. The woman is Israel. The text in Isaiah 9:6 says a "unto" us - not "for" us. So your question is not in concert with what the text says.So are you saying that the woman in the whole chapter of Revelation 12 is strictly national Israel? If so, then that child was not born for you?
1.) What does the heaven represents if woman did not float in outer space?
Individually, in Joseph's original dream - the moon and sun, Joseph's father and mother, and the eleven stars - his eleven brothers.2.) What does the sun, moon, and stars reprsent, if woman did not literally wore them?
To keep the messiah from growing up and taking away his (Satan's) dominion over the earth. And replacing it with the Kingdom of God.3.) Why was the red dragon appears in heaven?
The ten horns - ten end times concurrently reigning kings of the Roman Empire.4.) What does seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads represents?
Satan convinced a third of the angels to rebel, and to join his side. And marshaled his resources to have dominion over the earth. Prince of persia, prince of greece in Daniel 10, for example.5.) Why did Satan drw third part of stars of heaven? And cast them to earth?
In the context of Revelation 12, convinced herod to kill all of the first born under the age of 2. Then later, tried to convince Jesus to kill himself, in the temptation in the wilderness. Then convinced the religious leaders to plot to have Jesus put to death.6.) How will dragon devour woman's child? Born in heaven?
Revelation 12:6, the first 1260 days of the 7 years will take place.Didn't the salvation come when Church was established after the resurrection?
Revelation 12:10
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
God did tell us when our rapture will be. At the Last Trump.
How is Acts 1:11 fulfilled then?That is correct!
Jesus will come as a brilliant flash of light, when the first earth and the first heaven dissolve from his presence and he will blow the seventh Trumpet and to declare "Time no longer".
This woman in Heaven symbolizes the congregation of the Kingdom of Heaven! She is whom Old Testament Israel was a representative at the time of Christ's birth but after the cross, her representation was changed to the Church that fled to the world (signifies wilderness where Gentiles are).
How is Acts 1:11 fulfilled then?
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Not true , if you are born of God you can't sin /blasphemy HS
Jesus left the disciples from the Mt. of Olives. In Zechariah 14, he returns to earth at the Mt of Olives.It doesn't say, exactly how he disappeared from their presence.
A cloud could just mean that their visibility was obscured and they could not see beyond the Vail that took him away from their presence.
It could very well be that he dissipated in a vapourous cloud or mist, like a vanishing act, where the vapour or mist then ascended or floated upwards, but Jesus was not in the cloud/mist.
This is where the statement, "a cloud received him out of their sight" is highly suggestive of a vanishing act beyond the Vail, that is a vanishing from the temporal natural realm to the third Heaven (higher dimensional realm).
It doesn't say that humanity will be alive on the earth or that the earth is habitable after Jesus returns. It merely informs the Apostles that he shall come in LIKE manner as you have seen him go into the higher dimensional realm (3rd Heaven).
Questions that beg answering is....
What is "in LIKE manner"?
Where did Jesus go to?
Like manner to the vanishing act, is a re-appearing act, which is sudden, whereby the process itself is not understood. A twinkling of an eye act of here you see him, now you don't.
Jesus went to the 3rd Heaven, not space, but a higher dimensional realm, His Father's house of many rooms/ dimensions.
So when Jesus returns, the 1st earth and the 1st heaven will dissipate/disappear from his presence, which highly suggests that Christ's brlliant coming will actually bring to an end the 1st Earth and the 1st Heaven and with it the Adam dirt man.
The remaining Elect will be translated in a twinkling of an eye (the vanishing act), and their souls will instantaneously shed their dirt bodies (old clothing) and be clothed with their heavenly bodies, without tasting biological death, though their earthly bodies/cloths, would have also been consumed by Christ's brilliant coming.
There are a few examples that suggest a believer can fall from grace. Jesus said if you remain in me I will remain in you also the parable of the vine. People can be cut off from the vine.
Jesus left the disciples from the Mt. of Olives. In Zechariah 14, he returns to earth at the Mt of Olives.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
This present earth is still going to be here, a thousand years after Jesus returns.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
The Jews, Jerusalem, were responsible for choosing Barabbas instead of Jesus. So they are partly responsible for him being pierced. The Romans, the Roman Empire, are the ones who pierced his side. Both Jews, Jerusalem, and Romans of the end time Roman Empire, the EU, the kingdom of the beast will be present when Jesus returns.Let us now look at another book, the book of Revelation of Jesus Christ.
How many people, across the last 2000 years are accused of piercing Jesus?
Have many of them have long expired?
How could all the dead/expired humans see, with their natural eyes Christ's sudden appearing act from the 3rd Heaven (clouds) ?
How could all the wicked deceased, who pieced him and who are not raised, see him with their natural eyes?
You are missing alot exegetically, do you agree?
You asked...You really have not understood my reply to you, in post #150. If you had understood my post, you would have addressed it, rather than jump to another book in an ad hoc manner.
I would like to ask you, why are you not able or willing to address my reply to you in post #150?
You cited Acts 1:11 in your post #148 and I gave you a reply. Do you have a valid reason to refute what I have explained in post #150?
Please stick with Acts 1:11.
The Jews, Jerusalem, were responsible for choosing Barabbas instead of Jesus. So they are partly responsible for him being pierced. The Romans, the Roman Empire, are the ones who pierced his side. Both Jews, Jerusalem, and Romans of the end time Roman Empire, the EU, the kingdom of the beast will be present when Jesus returns.
It is talking about people from the original participants of the crucifixion. Obviously, not the exact same persons.
You asked...
What is "in LIKE manner"?
Where did Jesus go to?
The like manner is surrounded by clouds - descending from heaven. Heaven is where he went.
Revelation 1:17 says at his coming back to earth, it is with clouds and is straight forward - so that is an appropriate answer.
When Jesus disappeared from the disciples sight in Acts 1, viewed from the heaven side, he arrived in the clouds of heaven in Daniel 7:13.
Because those three passages are tied together by Jesus departing from earth at the Mt. of Olives and going to heaven; and Jesus arriving in heaven; and Jesus returning to earth at the Mt. of Olives.Your jumping from Acts to Revelation and from Revelation to Daniel, may I ask why?
Jesus ascended into a cloud and was gone from the earth. Jesus arrived in heaven upon the clouds of heaven. I am not making an analysis of what all was involved in between, because there is no information given.Are you saying that the natural clouds took Jesus and made him disappear, like a balloon flying beyond visual range?
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