2 Thess 2:12 teaches eternal security

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"One cannot be worthy of the Lord if one doesn't believe what the Lord teaches."

This is very true. You need to obey His commands, follow His teaching, open your heart and love Him, forgive those who sin against you, and listen closely to the prompting of His Spirit in ones life. So Amen, how true this is.

What I said obviously went over your head.

The Lord says plainly that those He gives eternal life shall neve perish. You, otoh, include conditions for recipients to meet in order to not perish.

You, therefore, do not believe what the Lord teaches.

So everything else you claim is insincere.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.
Eph 4:15-17

Notice SPEAKING THE TRUTH comes first.
John 10:28, John 5:24,John 6:40,John 6:47.

And we pray this in order that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and may please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1:10-12

'who has qualified you'~~ More eternal security truth.

We are to live a life worthy of the Lord

Which is ETERNAL. Not like what you espouse.Forever trying to fix the flesh, rather than living in that which is eternal.......the LIFE he has given believers.

There is no separation between knowledge of God and love of Him

Very true. That is why it is very easy to see that those who say, "We might perish." Have no knowledge of Him and live in a pseudo/human good type of love.
John 10:28

What is odd is those who feel these words are wrong and a challenge to their position,

See if you can distinguish this........If I was emotional, subjective and relying on my feelings. I would be TOTALLY on board with you. I mean, It's an easy, subjective way for me to justify myself. I can give it my best shot and I can justify myself.

But I can't because of what His WORD tells me. Everybody would LOVE to do it your way(This is why the majority is going with you) but His word tells us He is the ONLY way.

 

[LightLoveHope]

So everything else you claim is insincere.

Here is the core of your problem my friend.
You have invented a way of judging me based on an interpretation of scripture.
This is the fruit of leaving love and morality, and looking for qualification to salvation on another basis.

You fall into your own trap. You say, there are no conditions attached to faith in Jesus, yet while I have faith in Jesus and follow Him you disqualify me. So you end up falling into the same thing which you claim you judge others for.

This is the same dilemma for those who say, ones actions are irrelevant to faith, but then the action of believing and confession which qualifies one as saved, is an action. And strangely if this action is not done correctly, it does not count. But what this actually is is impossible to be certain about.

Jesus is very certain. Ones name must be written in the Lambs book of Life. So you could say, it is 100% in His hands. He does declare who are His sheep, those who listen to Him and follow Him. It might strike some as strange, that one is not earning salvation, but demonstrating it, but that is the wonder of it. I think put simply if one hates His ways, His word and His life, one is lost. No sheep could be in this state.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Notice SPEAKING THE TRUTH comes first.
John 10:28, John 5:24,John 6:40,John 6:47.

My friend, you want so hard to prove me wrong. If you were dedicated to bringing glory to our Lord, you would have fruit that would answer your desires.

So I cannot get involved in your passion is to show me I do not know security in Jesus, or what love is, or what grace it is that Christ gives me, because I am complete in Him.

Praise the Lord, grace and peace to you this christmas and I wish you a happy new year.

 

[Gr8Grace]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
So everything else you claim is insincere.

Here is the core of your problem my friend.

The core of the problem.........Is you don't address what is actually said to you. You have a prepared response for what MOST people say to you. And your not responding to the TRUTH that has been given to you on this thread.
Example......Next quote.

You have invented a way of judging me based on an interpretation of scripture.

Nobody is judging you. It's your prepared response. The calvinist, would judge you......and your trained to respond to the calvinist. So you ain't hearing the TRUTH that has been set forth to you.

This is the fruit of leaving love and morality, and looking for qualification to salvation on another basis.

Ever heard of transference?

You fall into your own trap. You say, there are no conditions attached to faith in Jesus, yet while I have faith in Jesus and follow Him you disqualify me. So you end up falling into the same thing which you claim you judge others for.

Again. This has no bearing on those who are actively participating with you on this thread.
Where has anyone said," I claim to judge you by_________________?"
And Honestly, this quote makes no relevant sense. We have just heard enough to assume, pretty close, to what you are trying to accuse others of.

This is the same dilemma for those who say, ones actions are irrelevant to faith, but then the action of believing and confession which qualifies one as saved, is an action.

Again. More prepared responses that have no relevance to those who are participating with you on this thread.

And strangely if this action is not done correctly, it does not count. But what this actually is is impossible to be certain about.

It doesn't count if one ADDS to the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. And the believer can be 110% certain about their salvation IF,IF,IF they believe what He says. John 10:28. Most are not certain because they don't believe what He said.

Jesus is very certain. Ones name must be written in the Lambs book of Life. So you could say, it is 100% in His hands. He does declare who are His sheep, those who listen to Him and follow Him. It might strike some as strange, that one is not earning salvation, but demonstrating it, but that is the wonder of it. I think put simply if one hates His ways, His word and His life, one is lost. No sheep could be in this state.

Well, If one rejects His word............they don't know His ways or His life.

John 10:28,John 5:24

 

[Gr8Grace]

My friend, you want so hard to prove me wrong.

Nope. His word proves you wrong.
John 10:28,John 5:24,John 6:47.

Again, It would be nice and cozy to believe as you do. It would be a case of subjective salvation.
It would be awesome if you were correct. We would all make it if we could justify ourselves.

If you were dedicated to bringing glory to our Lord, you would have fruit that would answer your desires.

Showing His truth to believers who are confused, is bringing Glory to Him. And Is fruitful.

So I cannot get involved in your passion is to show me I do not know security in Jesus

Excuse me Peter, I and FreeGrace are the ones showing you the Lord Jesus Christ's security. Your showing us that you DON'T know it.

, or what love is, or what grace it is that Christ gives me, because I am complete in Him.

You believe you can perish. So you can't know what love,grace and completeness really is.

Praise the Lord, grace and peace to you this christmas and I wish you a happy new year.

Same to you Peter. But mostly I pray you can see the truth of eternal security and the true rest that is in that truth.
Matt 11:30~~New American Standard Bible
"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

 

[LightLoveHope]

You believe you can perish. So you can't know what love,grace and completeness really is.

There is a simple delusion here. It is Jesus who decides who is truly saved, and who is lost. It is presumptuous to say "I have it though my life does not demonstrate it."

Paul was careful to talk about learning, sowing, putting into action the things of God so as to reap eternal life. If one sows to sin and evil, one will reap death and judgement. The key deciding factor is what we do.

Now knowing our vulnerability does not deny our walk or Christs leading. A mountain climber knows they can fall to their death, but has faith in the route, the guide and their equipment. To not know the danger or recognise ones limitations invites death, literally. Such is James warning

My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20

Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.
Gal 6:1

If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.
1 John 5:16-17

Our walk is not straight forward. Our difficulties often lead us to doubt our holiness, purity and grace in Jesus. To exalt our difficulties to the status of defeat and denial of our walk, is the error many fall into. An open heart, learning how love conquers all, and to speak to sin and repentance is critical to this walk. So bad has the darkness become, sinners refuse to repent or even acknowledge the need, which is such an error and acknowledgement of who God is and our walk of grace. Praise God in His love we have the victory and the power to overcome, Amen

 

[LightLoveHope]

And Honestly, this quote makes no relevant sense.

I find your judgementalism so sad and shocking.
I pray, I come to Jesus with a clean heart, in love and openness, yet you would disown me, and say I am lost.

It is this approach that I have found so odd amongst those who claim to follow and know Jesus. Jesus accepts those with open hearts who seek to learn and follow Him as children learning from their master.

Yet again you would disown me from this group. And anyone who falls into your "legalism" group, you would equally reject.

I on the other hand rejoice in anyone who loves the Lord and follows His ways, no matter how badly. There is always hope for those who are sincere and desire to let the seed of Gods word work in their hearts.

The problem with those who say sin is no longer relevant, because that is antinomianism in its true sense. And these people hate those who walk in the light, because the light condemns them as sinners who have not repented.

So I understand where you are coming from.
Paul says this simply

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7

Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.
2 Tim 2:19

Now this is so foundational, to oppose it is to oppose the Lord.
In the end if ones heart has been so dulled to sin, that sinning no longer stirs guilt and sorrow, then unfortunately nothing I share will have any impact.

I have seen this too many times from people who have compromised their own lives, and see themselves as warriors, enslaved by sin but holding the light to Christ as salvation.

But these two things contradict each other. Learn that you are loved and that ones life and love is precious, when cleansed of sin and made Holy.

The confusion comes from our desires will always be there, but need a proper place and recognition. Desire is not sin, acting on it is sinful. Denying its existence is inviting failure, submitting to the cross, and walking in self control and love is life.

When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
James 1:13-15

Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.
James 1:12

Standing the test, receive the crown of life - Amen, halleluyah.

To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Rev 3:21

Jesus will share His throne with us, Amen.
But we must overcome.

Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
Heb 12:3-4

We are called to resist sin, to walk in the ways of our Lord.

It is always easy to claim so much and yet not live it.
Living the truth is being in the vine, in Gods grace and knowing His love in reality, Amen.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Here is the core of your problem my friend.

No, friend, the whole problem is in your own court.

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ou have invented a way of judging me based on an interpretation of scripture.

Pure nonsense. I have "invented" nothing. I HAVE pointed out what Jesus said in very straight forward words in John 10:28 and you don't believe those words.

This is the fruit of leaving love and morality, and looking for qualification to salvation on another basis.

This is silly. There is no other basis for salvation, but faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Who says recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

You fall into your own trap.

Your view is delusional.

You say, there are no conditions attached to faith in Jesus, yet while I have faith in Jesus and follow Him you disqualify me.

Where have I disqualified you about anything? It is clear that you seem to be unable to follow and understand very much of what I post.

There is a condition for salvation. That single condition is faith in Jesus Christ. And once that single condition is met, Jesus gives the gift of eternal life.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
John 6:47 - Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.
1 John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

If these 3 verses don't convince you that those who believe HAVE (as in current possession) eternal life.

So, consider one more verse:
1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

So, for all believers, having eternal life is something we have already been given.

And on the basis of these 4 verses, Jesus says recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28.

But you continue to add conditions to recipients of eternal life in order to not perish.

That is in total contradiction to what Jesus said.

This is the same dilemma for those who say, ones actions are irrelevant to faith, but then the action of believing and confession which qualifies one as saved, is an action.

If you had paid any attention to my posts, you would have known that I NEVER said actions are "irrelevant to faith". God is just and promises painful discipline for His rebellious children. Why do you keep missing that?

And strangely if this action is not done correctly, it does not count. But what this actually is is impossible to be certain about.

2 more sentences that make no sense. What was your point?

Jesus is very certain.

That's true. So why don't you believe what He has said about recipients of eternal life?

Ones name must be written in the Lambs book of Life. So you could say, it is 100% in His hands.

Of course it is. It's His plan.

He does declare who are His sheep, those who listen to Him and follow Him.

No He never said that. And v.27 doesn't say that. You might need a remedial reading class. v.27 is a description of what His sheep (already saved) do.

If you want to know how to be one of His sheep, just scroll back to v.9

John 10:9 - I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

Where do you find anything about following here? One enters the gate (faith in Christ) to be saved. That's it. That's grace.

It might strike some as strange, that one is not earning salvation, but demonstrating it, but that is the wonder of it. I think put simply if one hates His ways, His word and His life, one is lost. No sheep could be in this state.

So, please prove your view from Scripture.

One is born lost. That's why Jesus came to earth.

Luke 19:10 - For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.

 

[FreeGrace2]

My friend, you want so hard to prove me wrong.

Not at all so hard to do. You've made it easy.

 

[Gr8Grace]

I find your judgementalism so sad and shocking.
I pray, I come to Jesus with a clean heart, in love and openness, yet you would disown me, and say I am lost.

Again, this is totally irrelevant to OUR discussion. And lets throw in transference again.

I believe you are out of fellowship. And I wouldn't disown you and say you are lost.......yet, you just judged(Wrongly) that I would.

It is this approach that I have found so odd amongst those who claim to follow and know Jesus.

What is really odd, is the fact that you don't read and respond to things in OUR dialog together. And then describe an 'approach' that I DISAGREE with.

Yet again you would disown me from this group. And anyone who falls into your "legalism" group, you would equally reject.

Yet again, this is transference arrogance. I would not disown you. I don't have a legalism group.I don't reject other believers.

Yet you believe some believers might perish.

I on the other hand rejoice in anyone who loves the Lord and follows His ways, no matter how badly. There is always hope for those who are sincere and desire to let the seed of Gods word work in their hearts.

Empty words.
You believe some believers might perish.

The problem with those who say sin is no longer relevant, because that is antinomianism in its true sense. And these people hate those who walk in the light, because the light condemns them as sinners who have not repented.

Irrelevant to OUR discussion.

So I understand where you are coming from.

You positively do not. You would respond to what I said, rather than this 'approach' that I don't even agree with.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Pure nonsense. I have "invented" nothing. I HAVE pointed out what Jesus said in very straight forward words in John 10:28 and you don't believe those words.

Here is the problem. If it is pure nonsense why are there believers who have held my position in all church history? I know equally others have held your position in one form or another.

Wesley and Whitfield held different positions, and yet their respect and friendship bridged this gap.

The fact you use language like "pure nonsense" demonstrates your exaggerated position and the need to push aside others who view things differently from yourself.

I suppose one could ask the question, do believers come to faith into a position where repentance and sin are not relevant? Not in my experience.

Rather Jesus is the healer and redeemer of our souls. It is His work that makes us whole. Amen, and thank you Jesus for your love and example, your forgiveness and your cleansing, there is nothing else like it. Amen.

By the way I do believe Christ holds us and we shall not perish because we are His sheep, His people, purchased by His blood, shown in our walk and in our faith and actions. It is in this reality my faith rests, knowing I am sealed by the gift of the Holy Spirit at work within me, to bring me to His throne, to reign with Him on His throne, my friend, Saviour and Lord, Thank you Jesus.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Gr8Grace said: ↑
You believe you can perish. So you can't know what love,grace and completeness really is.

There is a simple delusion here. It is Jesus who decides who is truly saved, and who is lost. It is presumptuous to say "I have it though my life does not demonstrate it."

And how is this relevant to my quote?

learning how love conquers all, and to speak to sin and repentance is critical to this walk.

You know this is EXACTLY what FreeGrace and I believe.

Romans 8~~We overwhelmingly conquer through Him who LOVED us. And NOTHING in all of creation will be able to separate us from the LOVE of God.

And if the believer grieves or quenches the Spirit by sin or evil.......It is PARAMOUNT that the believer confesses it to God.

 

[LightLoveHope]

You positively do not. You would respond to what I said, rather than this 'approach' that I don't even agree with.

I have interacted with believers like yourself.
There is always a denial of truth and reality, and a way to say, you do not know anything, and we are not the same at all.

Let us put this theology in context. Believers are sinners, who are never free from sin, and one sin, at any point, means the hope of walking like Jesus is a joke.
It is Jesus who we point to, because He alone redeems us and covers us wherever we walk and however we are.

So all men in this view are the same, except some are covered and some not.

Now in our theology, the redeemed are cleansed, washed, pure and holy. Their hope is hidden with Christ, and their love bursts out in their lives as they follow and obey their Lord. There is a real difference in who they are because they are abiding in the vine. So this difference is the light of life, the promise of the Kingdom come down to earth from heaven.

So in our theology, if you abide in knowing sin, then there is a difference and we should be on the Holy, cleansed side, and I would rather not be associated with those who compromise and deny the walk of redemption and sanctification.

As you appear to want to separate yourselves, so be it. I love Gods people and all who Honour His name and walk in His ways. In a world growing darker, I counsel you to keep His people as precious in His sight, God bless you, and may you walk in His ways and know His peace that passes understanding. Amen

 

[LightLoveHope]

You know this is EXACTLY what FreeGrace and I believe.

To be frank, I pray you know what you believe and follow Jesus.
It is you who pick the argument, I am just sharing my heart.

Jesus did the same. Being who we are is our walk, and not responding as the world responds, as if there is a pride issue at stake, or we have to prove something, like we are faking the work the Lord has done in our lives.

There is a simple point in life. Cause and effect. If Jesus is in our lives, we will be different. When Jesus met the woman caught in adultery, His advice was to not sin.

This is not simple. It is though our cornerstone, the following of God come to earth. God said, we can be a people who love one another as He loved us.

That is quite a promise. I have seen many communities, many projects where this has been attempted and has failed. But in my life I am forever optimistic.

I was talking to my daughter a few days ago, about how we often claim to want to have people know us, but when they get too close we fry them. It is a strange contradiction, the desire to be known, but the reality of not trusting of being open, so actually we just want to be exalted and complemented without risk of hurt. That is hard when pain comes, but Jesus gives us a way to bare it and rejoice in our sharing of the pain. But this is only possible because we know we are loved by our Lord and saviour.

Someone accused me of just saying this, like I was brain washed. What they did not realise is it is my experience of life and walking with Him. So here I will share, even though I will be treated as if I am the worst, because it is the power of His love that overcomes all and the disdain of others is nothing compared to His approval and love which showers my heart, Thankyou Jesus.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Gr8Grace said: ↑
You positively do not. You would respond to what I said, rather than this 'approach' that I don't even agree with.

I have interacted with believers like yourself.

And Here we go again. Nothing about what I said or believe. Just this 'approach' by others......That has nothing to do with what I believe or have been saying.

It's just a smokescreen though. The Issue is.......

The Lord Jesus Christ said He gives His sheep eternal life and they will never perish.

You claim His sheep might perish.

There is no fellowship,biblical love and biblical hope in the believers life if they don't believe His promises to us.
John 10:28~~New American Standard Bible
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
1 John 2:25~~New American Standard Bible
This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.

Num 23:19~~New International Version
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

 

[LightLoveHope]

Does he promise and not fulfill?

Did God promise Israel, with victory, the coming of His Kingdom and then did He not also kill and reject many because of rebellion, sin and unbelief?

Now about Israel Paul described Gods promise as irrevocable, yet individually many passed through the Red Sea, were saved and final were judged.

In your view Korah did not really rebel, it was a minor miss-understanding.

So the argument about promises does not fit with the conditions God always puts on His conditions. Stay faithful to Him and He will stay faithful to His people. Disown Him, and He will disown us. God stays faithful to Himself and His promises, because He will raise up a people who listen and follow Him. Eternity declares His people reign. The question is are we that people.

Time will tell, and our walk will declare it. The delusion is eternity is so different from our walk today, when Jesus walked today in our world and accepted His disciples knowing they would honour and walk in Holiness and purity.

We can in the end exalt Jesus and God so highly, we make it impossible for us to attain that which He has promised, and bring down our walk so low, being in sin and rebellion is acceptable to be in the Kingdom. It is easy to choose a path that means we stay as we are, but that is always a deception and a denial of love and the cross.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Here is the problem. If it is pure nonsense why are there believers who have held my position in all church history?

The church has been infiltrated with false teaching since the apostles.

I know equally others have held your position in one form or another.

There is only 1 position on eternal security. A saved person cannot perish.

Wesley and Whitfield held different positions, and yet their respect and friendship bridged this gap.

What is the point?

The fact you use language like "pure nonsense" demonstrates your exaggerated position and the need to push aside others who view things differently from yourself.

No, I am calling out your nonsense comments as just that.

I suppose one could ask the question, do believers come to faith into a position where repentance and sin are not relevant? Not in my experience.

Of course sin is relevant. The job of the Holy Spirit is to convict the world of sin.

Rather Jesus is the healer and redeemer of our souls. It is His work that makes us whole. Amen, and thank you Jesus for your love and example, your forgiveness and your cleansing, there is nothing else like it. Amen.

I've never disagreed with this.

By the way I do believe Christ holds us and we shall not perish because we are His sheep, His people, purchased by His blood, shown in our walk and in our faith and actions.

Where you keep being wrong is when you keep throwing in anything about our "actions". They have NOTHING to do with getting saved and receiving eternal life. But you don't believe that, as evidenced by your posts.

 

[LightLoveHope]

There is only 1 position on eternal security. A saved person cannot perish.

This is the point. Where does Jesus or the Lord every hold such a position as this? Time and again the opposite is true.

People are called to follow God and then they fail. This has always been how man goes with the Lord. He holds out a welcoming hand, calls to His people and they do not listen. And in the end judgement falls.

Only a few listen and follow. And still some turn away because of the pleasures of this world.

Now an eternal sheep cannot perish, because they are written in the Lambs book of life, but neither can they continue in sin, or rebel against the Lord, and at the last day will look up at Jesus and see the Lord they love.

But we do not know who are His and who are not, because we are to treat all with love and encourage even those who will betray us, with the love Christ gave us.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"There is only 1 position on eternal security. A saved person cannot perish."

This is the point.

It sure is. And Gr8Grace and I have been making this point over and over.

Where does Jesus or the Lord every hold such a position as this?

John 10:28. Recipients of eternal life shall never perish. You've never proved otherwise.

Time and again the opposite is true.

What in the world does this mean? If something is true, then PROVE it from Scripture.

People are called to follow God and then they fail. This has always been how man goes with the Lord.

Why do you think this "proves" that salvation can be lost?

He holds out a welcoming hand, calls to His people and they do not listen. And in the end judgement falls.

What you keep failing to understand is the difference between judgment of believers at the Bema (2 Cor 5:10) and judgment of unbelievers at the Great White Throne (Rev 20:11-15). You fail to "rightly divide the word of truth", per 2 Tim2 :15.

Only a few listen and follow. And still some turn away because of the pleasures of this world.

How does this "prove" that they lose salvation? Where are such verses? You don't have any.

Now an eternal sheep cannot perish, because they are written in the Lambs book of life, but neither can they continue in sin, or rebel against the Lord, and at the last day will look up at Jesus and see the Lord they love.

All your fancy talk is cheap. Where are there any verses that support your claims here?

And, btw, what to you think "neither can they continue in sin" means?

But we do not know who are His and who are not, because we are to treat all with love and encourage even those who will betray us, with the love Christ gave us.

It's irrelevant who we know are His sheep. He sure knows. And He said very clearly that those He gives eternal life (His sheep, believers) shall never perish.

But you still don't believe the truth.

What's wrong with you?