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QUOTE="FreeGrace2, post: 73459256, member: 319176"] First, let's be clear about something. Nothing can EVER "crucify the Son of God afresh". He died ONCE for all sins. So if you're taking the verse literally, you're just wrong. [/quote]
JL: Of course it isn’t literal.
But, just consider the reality of this: IF salvation can be lost, and a saved person can end up perishing, then what Jesus said in John 10:28 cannot be true. So, I await your explanation of what Jesus was saying (teaching) in that verse.
JL: What Jesus said can be and is true. The problem is your interpretation and assumption of OSAS that is not true, not found in scripture anywhere but contradicts many scriptures.
The saved will
never perish, [2Pt2:20 For
if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through The knowledge of The Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they
are again entangled therein,
and overcome, the
latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been
better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them[/b]. 22 But
it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and
the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.]
[Gal5:19 Now
the works of the flesh are manifest, which are
these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which
I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.]
How many times does one have to be a fornicator, to be unrighteous? How many times does one have to be an idolater to be unrighteous and not inherit the kingdom of God?
[Jms1:14 But
every man is tempted, When he is
drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then
when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and
Sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth Death.]
[Gal6:7
be not deceived; God is not mocked: for
whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.]
JL original post: The question was what are those in Hebrews falling from?
Second, those who cease to believe (fall away from the faith)
JL: What do you mean by, fall away from the faith? I take it as no longer Christian, unbelief.
Second, those who cease to believe (fall away from the faith) are a horrible testimony to others, and they become eligible for God's painful discipline (Heb 12:11) which can include death (1 Cor 11:30). That's why it is serious.
JL: Everyone dies physically from the most holy to most wicked. Those who fall away may have been chastened to prevent them from falling away, but not to punish them for falling away.
[Hb12:6 For
whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and
scourgeth every son whom
he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But
if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers,
then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9-10 …. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward
it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.]
[1Cor11:29 For
he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.]
