2 questions about adam and eve.

[dayhiker]

Priestly role ... sounds like its reading into the passage something that it doesn't say.

Yup, many ways God could deal with over population and I wouldn't expect one simple aren't to be the complete solution.

 

[Sammy-San]

Priestly role ... sounds like its reading into the passage something that it doesn't say.

Yup, many ways God could deal with over population and I wouldn't expect one simple aren't to be the complete solution.

Do you think the biomes would've been different if the fall of man didn't happen? I heard the world would've been a tropical rainforest.

 

[dayhiker]

I have no idea ... anything anyone says about that is total speculation with no data to base is on in my view.

 

[Johnnz]

What does it mean that Adam and Eve had a priestly role?

Also, whats your view on this article? Why did God tell Adam and Eve to fill the earth—if no one died, wouldn't the earth have become overpopulated?

1) Humanity was to work as God's stewards in the care and management of our world. We are to represent God, a priestly role. Whenever scripture mentions God clothing people it is always His priests. The Fall did not annul that role. God's covering of the couple had little to do with body shame as we know it, but was an act of great grace extended to humanity to continue with God's initial purposes for humanity.

2) Humanity was not created immortal.That was to come, symbolised by the tree of life. Jesus alone was to bring that to humanity. We don't know what death would be like in an unfallen world of course, but significantly different from what we experience now. That article does not follow this direction.

John
NZ

 

[Sammy-San]

1) Humanity was to work as God's stewards in the care and management of our world. We are to represent God, a priestly role. Whenever scripture mentions God clothing people it is always His priests. The Fall did not annul that role. God's covering of the couple had little to do with body shame as we know it, but was an act of great grace extended to humanity to continue with God's initial purposes for humanity.

2) Humanity was not created immortal.That was to come, symbolised by the tree of life. Jesus alone was to bring that to humanity. We don't know what death would be like in an unfallen world of course, but significantly different from what we experience now. That article does not follow this direction.

John
NZ

What do you think of this theory?

. Or maybe He would have taken people as they were ready, and given them glorified bodies on a new earth.

 

[Alithis]

What does it mean that Adam and Eve had a priestly role?

Also, whats your view on this article? Why did God tell Adam and Eve to fill the earth—if no one died, wouldn't the earth have become overpopulated?

My reply was ...in regard to the first half of said post.
i think that was more to do with him covering their shame(sin)by the shedding of blood..animals were slain to clothe(cover) adam & eve ... "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin"

 

[Sammy-San]

My reply was ...in regard to the first half of said post.
i think that was more to do with him covering their shame(sin)by the shedding of blood..animals were slain to clothe(cover) adam & eve ... "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin"

Do you think the Garden of Eden is around today?

 

[dayhiker]

nope ... nothing survived thru that flood that would be recognizable. I know old people that went back to their home street from when they were young. Things had changed so much they could hardly recognize it. If that is true, imagine what a major flood would do!

 

[Alithis]

Do you think the Garden of Eden is around today?

I think ... Making it nothing but opinion，that it is buried under a flood of silt making it a rather abundant source of oil ...

 

[ToBeLoved]

I was recently thinking about adam and eve, and 2 very confusing things occurred to me about them.

1-Do you think they went to heaven or hell? They are the two people responsible for all the sin and problems going on in the world today.

I definately believe that they went to heaven and back to God. That is why there is a verse in the Bible where God says He had to remove their access to the Tree of Life because He did not want them to live forever in sin and exiled from God. There is also a verse that says that sin wasn't held against them, the people, until the law came into existence. Then the people had access to what God told them was right and what God told them was wrong.

Genesis 2:9
9 Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22
22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

Romans 5:13-14
for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed.

 

[now faith]

What makes you think Adam and Eve repented of their sin of bringing evil into the world?

They did not die at the moment of sin.
They were ashamed hidden from God,trying to hide their knowledge with fig leaves.
This shows a act of repentance.
God covered their sins with the skin of animals,the animals were killed and blood was shed for their atonement.
The animals paid the price and covered their sin,Christ paid the price for all mankind once and for all.

Romans: 5. 12. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13. (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Notice vs 12 by one man sin entered the world,Adam did not bring sin into the World Satan did with man's permission.
For salvation we are saved by grace through faith in Christ.
For Adam and Eve,as well as man today we have a choice to obey God or not,a Choice to repent of sin or not.
God gave all mankind the ability to choose our destiny by giving us free will.
Satan cannot make you sin ,you always have a choice God will always give you a way to say no.

1 Corinthians: 10. 13. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Deuteronomy: 30. 19. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

 

[now faith]

On the topic of Adam an Eve going to Hell.

The Bloodline to Christ is from Adam,all the way through the Old Testament lineage from Noah to David and beyond.
Notice none of the great men of the Bible were from Cain.
Adam and Eve were forgiven ,but paid a price for their transgression.
The same goes for King David, Moses
Solomon, Samson,and many more men of God I am sure.

 

[now faith]

In the constraints of your question, I would have to ask you what you think God's plan for Adam and Eve was if they hadn't eaten the fruit? Would he have instituted a system where two humans, one male and one female, would have been chosen by him upon reaching a certain age to be mates and they would have had some very boring, but functional, sex to procreate?

Do animals sin by having sex? Why do you think that sinless humans would not figure out all of their bodily functions, including the fact that Tab A fits in Slot B? Did Adam have a prostate? You do realize that it is a natural function of the prostate to relieve itself occasionally while sleeping? This would have happened to Adam.

I do not equate sex between Adam and Eve as sin,God told man to be fruitful and multiply.
The tree was the tree of knowlage of good and evil, I believe that to be a separate circumstance from normal relations.

 

[Sammy-San]

I do not equate sex between Adam and Eve as sin,God told man to be fruitful and multiply.
The tree was the tree of knowlage of good and evil, I believe that to be a separate circumstance from normal relations.

Was there Sex Before the Fall? A Biblical Analysis.

 

[now faith]

Genesis: 1. 27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Ok figure this one out... before fall or after?

 

[CrystalDragon]

So you do believe we (not just us, most people alive in the world right now) would exist right now, if they didnt sin, taking into consideration the fact that without sin in the world, the circumstances that led to many people being born wouldnt happen?

I notice that people seem to mainly be avoiding your very good question...

 

[Hank77]

There is reason to believe that Adam and Eve were saved. 1. Like you said, God sacrificed and animal to cover the symbol of their sin (the knowledge that they were naked) They accepted His symbol of blood sacrifice and clothed themselves with it. 2. Their son Abel knew about this sacrifice because Genesis tells us that He killed a lamb and offered it as a sacrifice to the Lord and God accepted it. Where did he learn about this if not from Adam and Eve?

Cain on the other hand refused to trade his vegetables with Abel to purchase a lamb and offer it to God as a sacrifice. He decided that since he had worked hard to grow those vegetables he would just offer to God the works of his hands. God rejected that. God will never accept those who offer their works to Him. He only accepts those who offer the blood of the lamb for their sins. God held Cain responsible for his incorrect religion of works because evidently Adam and Eve had taught him that only a blood sacrifice is acceptable to God. So yes, I believe Adam and Eve learned from God how to be right with Him and they taught it to Abel and Cain but Cain refused to admit that he needed a blood sacrifice to cover His sins and offered God his good works. That still happens all of the time.

I like your explanation very much.
I'll add that when Seth was born, Eve gave God the glory.

 

[Hank77]

Humanity was not created immortal.That was to come, symbolised by the tree of life.

True, but God told Adam that he could eat from the tree of life, but that he could not eat of the tree of knowledge.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[Hank77]

They did not die at the moment of sin.
They were ashamed hidden from God,trying to hide their knowledge with fig leaves.
This shows a act of repentance.
God covered their sins with the skin of animals,the animals were killed and blood was shed for their atonement.
The animals paid the price and covered their sin,Christ paid the price for all mankind once and for all.

I think it is interesting that they tried to hide from God but He pursued them and gave them a chance to come clean, so to speak.

 

[Hank77]

I definately believe that they went to heaven and back to God. That is why there is a verse in the Bible where God says He had to remove their access to the Tree of Life because He did not want them to live forever in sin and exiled from God.