2 questions about adam and eve.

[ToBeLoved]

They did not wear clothes till God made some for them from a Ram. This was the first sacrificial offering to cover the shame of sin. Adam was created with the light covering. Everything radiated light the trees, flowers, animals, even the earth from which Adam was originally made.

Then God said for them to get lost and get

Well this is not totally correct. First they covered themselves with leaves and plants. Then when God saw this, He gave them a different covering.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Lucifer wasn't even Satan, just a Babylonian king if you actually read the full passage.

Can you list the passage for us.

 

[FaithfulPilgrim]

1. I think they went to heaven because God is merciful. They also committed their sin through ignorance, sorta. They knew they should not have done it, but didn't have a sinful leaning until after their disobedience.

2. I think the same soul's would still exist and Adam and Eve could still die, but death wouldn't be seen as tragic or scary, but rather as a glorious moment where they get to live an even better life.

 

[miknik5]

I was recently thinking about adam and eve, and 2 very confusing things occurred to me about them.

1-Do you think they went to heaven or hell? They are the two people responsible for all the sin and problems going on in the world today.

heaven

2-This is a bit trickier of a question. If Adam and eve didnt sin, would the same souls exist right now or not?

The same souls would exist

To be more specific, would WE exist right now?

Yes

Would we live with the same families we live with now, just in a utopia version of this world, if they didnt sin?

We would have sinned

I dont know if the soul exists before birth, but I do know each soul alive now has a unique identity created by God. Adam and Eves sin caused sin and death, and the problems associated with it, to enter in this world. Its highly likely that if they didnt sin, since the world with be a utopic happy place, there would be no need for people to move around the world, and thus, many of the families who exist now (including many of our own) wouldnt exist, because the reasons our ancestors moved to where we live is because of the world being an imperfect place, as a result of adam and eves sin.

It is highly unlikely that adam/mankind/we wouldn't have sinned

 

[Sammy-San]

heaven


The same souls would exist

Yes

We would have sinned

It is highly unlikely that adam/mankind/we wouldn't have sinned

What if the devil didn't rebel and stayed as an angel? Somebody would take the fruit eventually?

 

[Sammy-San]

heaven


The same souls would exist

Yes

We would have sinned

It is highly unlikely that adam/mankind/we wouldn't have sinned

Wasn't the lake of fire around when adam and eve were in the Garden? Were they tempted so they would join the angels who sinned there? Or were there other reasons?

 

[miknik5]

What if the devil didn't rebel and stayed as an angel? Somebody would take the fruit eventually?

GOD foreknew Adam/mankind/our fall

 

[Sammy-San]

GOD foreknew Adam/mankind/our fall

Were they tempted so they would join the angels in hell?

 

[miknik5]

Were they tempted so they would join the angels in hell?

They were tempted by the angel who has his own place

 

[Sammy-San]

1. I think they went to heaven because God is merciful. They also committed their sin through ignorance, sorta. They knew they should not have done it, but didn't have a sinful leaning until after their disobedience.

2. I think the same soul's would still exist and Adam and Eve could still die, but death wouldn't be seen as tragic or scary, but rather as a glorious moment where they get to live an even better life.

They weren't immortal?

 

[Sammy-San]

They were tempted by the angel who has his own place

Were they tempted so they would join him in judgement?

 

[FaithfulPilgrim]

They weren't immortal?

Idk really. I don't think it is explicitly mentioned.

 

[miknik5]

Were they tempted so they would join him in judgement?

They were tempted
Just as men are tempted today

The difference is they were innocent before they were tempted

We no longer can claim ourselves to be innocent

Even before being tempted

 

[miknik5]

They weren't immortal?

They were fully alive and should never have died. before they were tempted

 

[Sammy-San]

They were tempted
Just as men are tempted today

The difference is they were innocent before they were tempted

We no longer can claim ourselves to be innocent

Even before being tempted

What about in Heaven and the New Earth?

 

[miknik5]

What about in Heaven and the New Earth?

if all the vessels are marked HOLY to THE LORD and the tempter is no longer able to tempt, what do you think?

 

[miknik5]

What about in Heaven and the New Earth?

New Heaven AND New Earth with no divider mark to separate the two anymore

 

[Sammy-San]

New Heaven AND New Earth with no divider mark to separate the two anymore

What is New Heaven? So in eternity we arent in Heaven?

 

[Sammy-San]

if all the vessels are marked HOLY to THE LORD and the tempter is no longer able to tempt, what do you think?

If we are made like innocent children, what about the angels? Was it to test them?

 

[miknik5]

What is New Heaven? So in eternity we arent in Heaven?

It's here