2 different creation stories?

[OldWiseGuy]

Genesis 1

Day 1: light day/dark night
Day 2: firmament
Day 3: land, sea, grass, herbs, fruit trees
Day 4: greater light (day), lesser light (night),
stars, (signs, seasons, days, years)
Day 5: water bring forth creatures, fowl, whales,
creatures, winged fowl
Day 6: earth bring forth living creatures, cattle,
creeping things, beasts of the earth,
man

Genesis 2 has man before the animals. Also, it appears that god created man and women at the same time in G1, but at completely separate times in G2.

According to scholars, G1 & G2 are written in completely different styles, and the word for god is even different in both accounts. How is there a "evening and morning" for the first three days of creation if the sun, moon and stars are not created until day four?

Taken literally, the two accounts cannot be reconciled without special pleading.

Reminder that the bible has been 'misinterpreted by mistranslation', thus much misunderstanding. Fortunately we can reconstruct the original (or close to it) language and properly translate it. A corrective example for you; the sun and moon were 'appointed' as 'time and date' keepers on the fourth day. They already existed prior to the first day of the REcreation (renewal) of earth's once-again flooded surface. What is believed to be the creation of sun and moon on day one is really the removal of the 'darkness' that shrouded the earth, allowing the light of the sun to once again provide light upon it.

 

[juvenissun]

Reminder that the bible has been 'misinterpreted by mistranslation', thus much misunderstanding. Fortunately we can reconstruct the original (or close to it) language and properly translate it. A corrective example for you; the sun and moon were 'appointed' as 'time and date' keepers on the fourth day. They already existed prior to the first day of the REcreation (renewal) of earth's once-again flooded surface. What is believed to be the creation of sun and moon on day one is really the removal of the 'darkness' that shrouded the earth, allowing the light of the sun to once again provide light upon it.

Hey, somehow I did not pay enough attention to this meaning. It means a lot. Thanks, OWG.

 

[Split Rock]

Reminder that the bible has been 'misinterpreted by mistranslation', thus much misunderstanding. Fortunately we can reconstruct the original (or close to it) language and properly translate it. A corrective example for you; the sun and moon were 'appointed' as 'time and date' keepers on the fourth day. They already existed prior to the first day of the REcreation (renewal) of earth's once-again flooded surface. What is believed to be the creation of sun and moon on day one is really the removal of the 'darkness' that shrouded the earth, allowing the light of the sun to once again provide light upon it.

Don't tell that to AVET and others here who claim that the KJV1611 Bible is more accurate than any version that preceeded it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't tell that to AVET and others here who claim that the KJV1611 Bible is more accurate than any version that preceeded it.

The KJVO movement was started to counter the rising tide of alternate versions and their subsequent failures to include key Truths from Scripture.

Whenever a major point is made in the KJV, an alternate version "conveniently" either leaves it out, or mistranslates it.

Cases in point: Satan's angelic name (Lucifer) and the Trinity.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Reminder that the bible has been 'misinterpreted by mistranslation', thus much misunderstanding. Fortunately we can reconstruct the original (or close to it) language and properly translate it. A corrective example for you; the sun and moon were 'appointed' as 'time and date' keepers on the fourth day. They already existed prior to the first day of the REcreation (renewal) of earth's once-again flooded surface. What is believed to be the creation of sun and moon on day one is really the removal of the 'darkness' that shrouded the earth, allowing the light of the sun to once again provide light upon it.

Just a reminder, but G2 is much older than G1, was written by a different author and uses different word for god as compared to G1.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just a reminder, but G2 is much older than G1, was written by a different author and uses different word for god as compared to G1.

No redactions from Moses, huh?

 

[Boogdar]

Genesis 1

Day 1: light day/dark night
Day 2: firmament
Day 3: land, sea, grass, herbs, fruit trees
Day 4: greater light (day), lesser light (night),
stars, (signs, seasons, days, years)
Day 5: water bring forth creatures, fowl, whales,
creatures, winged fowl
Day 6: earth bring forth living creatures, cattle,
creeping things, beasts of the earth,
man

Genesis 2 has man before the animals. Also, it appears that god created man and women at the same time in G1, but at completely separate times in G2.

According to scholars, G1 & G2 are written in completely different styles, and the word for god is even different in both accounts. How is there a "evening and morning" for the first three days of creation if the sun, moon and stars are not created until day four?

Taken literally, the two accounts cannot be reconciled without special pleading.

Right, I was talking to Juvenism who claimed they were perfectly synchronized but failed to provide any details. Now he says we have to ask specific questions, but I was just looking for the details to back up his claim.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

No redactions from Moses, huh?

Correct. Although the Pentateuch is traditionally attributed to Moses, there is zero evidence to back this claim. Our earliest existing copies are dated hundreds of years past the supposed life of Moses.

 

[Delphiki]

Reminder that the bible has been 'misinterpreted by mistranslation', thus much misunderstanding. Fortunately we can reconstruct the original (or close to it) language and properly translate it. A corrective example for you; the sun and moon were 'appointed' as 'time and date' keepers on the fourth day. They already existed prior to the first day of the REcreation (renewal) of earth's once-again flooded surface. What is believed to be the creation of sun and moon on day one is really the removal of the 'darkness' that shrouded the earth, allowing the light of the sun to once again provide light upon it.

The part bolded in red is what LTTF likely means when he says "special pleading".

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Right, I was talking to Juvenism who claimed they were perfectly synchronized but failed to provide any details. Now he says we have to ask specific questions, but I was just looking for the details to back up his claim.

I wouldn't worry too much about him. He tends to confuse himself easy enough.

If you want to talk about imperfect synchronizations however, look no further than your BOM.

 

[AV1611VET]

No redactions from Moses, huh?

Correct.

Of course not -- then you would be wrong, wouldn't you?

 

[Boogdar]

If you want to talk about imperfect synchronizations however, look no further than your BOM.

Bit off topic, but I'm intrigued. Perhaps you could send me a personal message? I see that you are agnostic, I was agnostic for a large part of my life, so I think I'll appreciate your kind of thinking, even if I don't agree.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Bit off topic, but I'm intrigued. Perhaps you could send me a personal message? I see that you are agnostic, I was agnostic for a large part of my life, so I think I'll appreciate your kind of thinking, even if I don't agree.

I was just alluding to JS and the BOM's dubious beginnings.
Don't worry, used to be a bible thumpin' evangelical before I saw the light.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Of course not -- then you would be wrong, wouldn't you?

Nope. I accept what current historical-critical scholarship has to say about the matter. I'm just the messenger.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope. I accept what current historical-critical scholarship has to say about the matter. I'm just the messenger.

That explains it all.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

That explains it all.

Yes, a devotional approach changes everything.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, a devotional approach changes everything.

I'd say you're pretty devoted, too.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I'd say you're pretty devoted, too.

Absolutely, to truth and reason. Not beholden to myths and legends.

 

[juvenissun]

Right, I was talking to Juvenism who claimed they were perfectly synchronized but failed to provide any details. Now he says we have to ask specific questions, but I was just looking for the details to back up his claim.

That is a good question.

Because the content of Gen 1 and Gen 2 explains each other.

Is it a good detail, which backs up on my claim?

 

[juvenissun]

Bit off topic, but I'm intrigued. Perhaps you could send me a personal message? I see that you are agnostic, I was agnostic for a large part of my life, so I think I'll appreciate your kind of thinking, even if I don't agree.

Agnosticism is no good in any religion. It takes all the assumed punishment, but receives zero benefit.