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I'll give you the framework/timeline and you can figure it out for yourself. If I have the time, I'll provide more detail later. But you're way off in my opinion.That works best if you put it in quotes and give the text reference.
If all the wicked are killed and no one is left on the earth after Jesus returns, who are the sheep and the goats?But it is not where Christ reigns on Earth because Revelation 19 says all the wicked are killed when Christ comes again (second coming) - and John 14 says that when He comes again he takes the saints back with Him - back to heaven.
That does not fit with the description provided in Matt 25:31-33. 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats."So what about the earth? That leaves “no one” here – so does the Bible describe earth as left without humans, dead corpses from one end of earth to another?
No one left to bury the dead? Cities all destroyed? Really?
My Bible says nothing about anyone being in the NJ when it comes down out of the newly created 3rd starrry Heavens. The only people that will ever go to Heaven are we Gentiles today who are given the eyes of understanding to SEE the Hope of God's calling, which is only found in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. Revelation is mostly about Israel, none of whom will ever go to Heaven. Going to the Highest Heaven is for today's Gentiles ONLY, according to the Word.They are both after the 1000 years.
Rev 21:1-2
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband
And again in 21:10
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
And in Rev 20:6-9
6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
The New Jerusalem is the camp of the saints and comes down out of heaven after the 1000 years. In vs 9 fire comes down and destroys the wicked.
But then Rev 20 - enlarges and expands on that short summary showing that the judgment happens then the lake of fire.
You've never refuted anything, with your subjective private interpretations.That was refuted on page 2 - Jesus said " I will come again and RECEIVE you" after saying "I GO to prepare a PLACE for you". That is what happens at the second coming event Jesus is talking about in John 14.
And now it is also on page 1
Monday at 8:29 PM #7
The only people that will ever go to Heaven are we Gentiles today
Some how Bob, you have achieved the impossible.Because you are skipping over the details.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
That is the resurrection you did not see.
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore
They are raised and gathered for war against the New Jerusalem.
That quotation from Galatians is describing the spiritual state of the believers in Christ. The same as in the letter to the Ephesians, where we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places.That is one of the most religiously bigoted (and ignorant (not-knowing)) statements I have ever read.
Have ye never read:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
That passage does not support the unscriptural theology that Christ comes and takes ppl back to heaven. It's the second coming,
BobRyan said: ↑
1. The saints are taken to heaven at Christ's return (second coming) - as Christ promised in John 14.
John 14
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
The "Father in heaven"(Matthew 6 - Lord's Prayer) - to "My Father's house"
Jesus went to heaven. We know in fact "the place" -- is heaven.
Acts 1
9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
Phil 3:20
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
You've never refuted anything, with your subjective private interpretations.
I cannot find in Revelation 20, anything about a resurrection of the wicked before they surround the camp?
Some how Bob, you have achieved the impossible.
You have the resurrection of the dead and after a thousand year rest in the ground, resurrected
You have those beheaded and tribulation saints reigning with Christ over what?
So you have the unbelievers destroyed twice by God.
That is one of the most religiously bigoted (and ignorant (not-knowing)) statements I have ever read.
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Careful - AC28 says the 39 books of the OT are not "for him"
Nor is the teaching of Christ in the Gospels --
Nor is the teaching of Paul or anyone else in the book of Acts --
So he is down to 22 books of the Bible and I assume he would delete from them whatever text they quote from the OT...
Because you are skipping over the details.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
That is the resurrection you did not see.
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore
They are raised and gathered for war against the New Jerusalem.
No, the rest of the dead being raised is here:
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
The text says 'the rest of the dead are raised AFTER the 1000 years are completed
Do you believe in a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth?
Yes they are but no one can be raised from the dead if they aren't dead yet.
The wicked do not live for a 1000 years waiting to be ... resurrected.
They are dead as Rev 19 points out.
So then it is only the righteous living and the dead taken at the 2nd coming - to heaven.
But the living wicked die (2Thess 1,, Rev 19) and thus they are all dead at the start of the 1000 years.
Rev 19 only shows an army being killed not non-military.
Christ doesn't take anyone to heaven at the second coming. He stays here
Jesus went to heaven and is coming back from heaven to take us to His Father's house - to heaven..
John 14
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
The "Father in heaven"(Matthew 6 - Lord's Prayer) - to "My Father's house"
Jesus went to heaven. We know in fact "the place" -- is heaven.
Acts 1
9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
Phil 3:20
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thess 4 - when a love one dies we have this hope --
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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