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Did you read through all the passages brother? I'm getting the impression that you did not(I mean no offense).
From reading all those passages we see that the coming of the lord is referring to the literal coming/day of the Lord, and is not condensing several events into one.
Wooaahhh hang on there Bob... the rocky world is simply the new world... cleansed of complications and snares...The world is in ruins at the 2nd coming - but the rocks still exist .. just as Peter said the world was "destroyed by the flood" in 2Peter 3 -- but this does not mean the planet did not exist
When we read though brother, we see it twice saying specifically that these are those who were killed or beheaded for his testimony. Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 20:4Certainly I agree with that - but the term "Dead in Christ" is not limited to just saints that were killed when read in context.
In 1 Thess 4 we find the term "the dead in Christ" which is about all the dead in Christ at the first resurrection - but the funeral being had in 1Thess 4 is never said to be for one who was killed for their faith. They simply died as in fact all the living of that day 2000 years ago were eventually going to die.
In that respect all the saints in all ages give their life for Christ -- choosing to live for Christ and reject the world.
Brother, look at the description in 2 Peter 3 of the Lord's day and then compare it to the rest of the Passages provided and you will see they are all speaking of a single day. An hour, a final trump, a moment, a twinkling of an eye.You read 2 Peter 3 as one literal day - in the very chapter that says that with the Lord "a day is as a thousand years" where it talks about the 'day of the Lord'. But the term "day of the Lord" is not a unit of time - but rather an event that spans some period of time. "day of judgment" or as Christ said of Abraham "Abraham saw My day and was glad".
Also if this were the order of events there would have to be two returns of Christ. But only one is spoken of.
Matt 24
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
1 Cor 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
That makes so much sense!! As Jesus said, those who try to save their lives will forfeit them... instinctive action!Both Matt 24 and 1Cor 15 describe only the second coming event. They do not have "the elements of Earth" melting.
By contrast in Rev 20 at the New Jerusalem event - we have the "Lake of Fire" were in fact the wicked and all the Earth are melting.
2 Peter 3:7
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
2 Pet 2:12 NASB
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
These are those in graves not part of the first.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
These are those alive, not part of the first.
It seems you do not understand my position brother.
There is no rapture, that is a man made event(as it cannot be proven from scripture). There are only two Resurrection.
Well in verse nine it shows us the living are still in the camp of the saints on earth(valley of the Moutain), so we can see that living do still remain until Christ's coming at the second resurrection(as paul tells us).
Do you believe in a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth?
"Christ takes all the saints to heaven for 1000 years at the 2nd coming"... sorry I cant find that written? I can find 1000...but.. yeah.. us being in heaven for a 1000 years with Christ.. not written. Unless I misunderstand...
I know Christ comes back with? Us... those that didnt bow take the mark so forth so on.. go with Him as do we.
Or in Rev 20.. where you say the "Rev 20 says the wicked are resurrected and they surround the camp of the saints. -- the New Jerusalem"...sorry I cant find where it says "the wicked are resurrected" I do find "
Christ comes back with us... as its written even in a book that is not in the bible 10k of 10k of His saints.. Just tossing that in there.. then Christ gathers the nations as its written..
Except for the few Gentiles that were grafted into Israel and were in the All-Israel church during Acts, everyone that will be resurrected at Christ's ONLY second Coming are Jews. They will meet Christ in the air and then return with Him to start ISRAEL'S LITERAL EARTHLY MILLENNIUM.
Do you believe in a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth?
The Father's House, in Jn 14, will be the New Jerusalem, the Highest calling any Jew will ever have. The NJ is not Heaven. It comes down out of Heaven and attaches to the New Earth. Permanently, as far as we know. Every tribe has it's own gate. There is no Gentile gate.No text says that any future resurrection is 'all Jews'
No text ever shows someone resurrected flying up in the air then floating softly back down to earth.
Christ takes all the saints to heaven for 1000 years at the 2nd coming. -- "I will come again" John 14.
The Father's House, in Jn 14, will be the New Jerusalem,
Rev 21:1-2There is no example of Christ on Earth today building the New Jerusalem.
In John 14 "I GO to prepare a place for you" -- so that is heaven where the New Jerusalem is today.
There is no point in everyone being in the sky "Matthew 24" or "flying up in the clouds" 1 Thess 4 at the second coming and resurrection... if the whole point is to have the New Jerusalem on Earth at that point.
The text (Revelation 20:4-5) does not say that, 'all the saints', reign with Christ for a thousand years.Christ takes all the saints to heaven for 1000 years at the 2nd coming. -- "I will come again" John 14.
the 1000 years are literal -
But it is not where Christ reigns on Earth because Revelation 19 says all the wicked are killed when Christ comes again (second coming) - and John 14 says that when He comes again he takes the saints back with Him - back to heaven.
(Jesus went to heaven Acts 1 and comes back from heaven -- Phil 3:20
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;NASB)
They are there for 1000 years that starts with the "First resurrection" Rev 20:5 which is when the "Dead in Christ rise first" 1 Thess 4:16
And all the wicked are slain at Christ's coming 2 Thess 1:7-8 Rev 19:17-18
"Elephant in living room" of all other options on this topic -- is this.
Nothing left here but a desolate Earth - as the OT prophets predicted.
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DESOLATE Earth
Rev 20:4-5 shows the ”First Resurrection” Which is the resurrection of the saints the “dead in Christ” as Paul says in 1Thess 4 at our “Gathering together to Him” 2Thess 2:1-4 a the “Coming of the Lord” (Both 2Thess 2 and 1Thess 4 point that out).
Rev 19 says that the living wicked are destroyed by fire and by the sword that comes from Christ “at the coming of the Lord” – it says “The rest were killed by the sword” that comes from Christ. Vs 21
At that time Christ raptures the church (in the singular event He promised in John 14) and we are taken to heaven both the living AND the dead (raised at the First Resurrection).
So what about the earth? That leaves “no one” here – so does the Bible describe earth as left without humans, dead corpses from one end of earth to another?
No one left to bury the dead? Cities all destroyed? Really?
Millennium – a time without a single human remaining alive. Not a glorious place to live - but a place where birds feeding on rotting corpses of mankind. And yet it is temporary – only lasting for 1000 years.
This feast of the birds we see described again in Rev 19 where the lamb destroys certain of mankind
Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleys with your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you And will set darkness on your land,'' Declares the Lord GOD.
Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.
Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.
Zeph 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD'S wrath; And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.
Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the LORD lays the earth waste, devastates it, distorts its surface and scatters its inhabitants.
2 And the people will be like the priest, the servant like his master, the maid like her mistress, the buyer like the seller, the lender like the borrower, the creditor like the debtor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste and completely despoiled,
It is obviously a World Wide Calamity – World Wide catastrophe
Isaiah 24
17 Terror and pit and snare Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit, And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare; For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.
20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it, And it will fall, never to rise again.
The only people with a Hope of the Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God, are today's Gentiles, whose Hope, Calling, and Future are found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. The other 59, 100% Israel books, contain nothing TO us or ABOUT us Gentiles living today. That includes the Gospels and Paul's Acts epistles. NOTHING from those 59 Jewish books can be merged into what is out ONLY truth for today, as found only in Paul's last 7 books.
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The text (Revelation 20:4-5) does not say that, 'all the saints', reign with Christ for a thousand years.
Revelation 20
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
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