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Featured 10 different NT warning-types against eternal security

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by BCsenior, Sep 23, 2019.

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  1. BCsenior

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    In the NT, there is a wide variety of warning-types against eternal security.
    After all, variety is the spice of life!
    Please forgive me for only posting one example for each warning-type.


    Warnings about losing eternal life
    Luke 9:23-25 ● “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself,
    and take up his cross daily,
    and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will
    lose it (eternal life), but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.
    For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world,
    and is himself destroyed or lost (eternally)?”


    Warnings about gaining eternal death
    Romans 6:16-23 ● “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves)
    of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness”


    Warnings about being shut out of the kingdom of God
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ● “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
    the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
    nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
    nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”


    Warnings about being shut out of the New Jerusalem
    Revelation 22:14-15 ● “Blessed are those who do His commandments,
    that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through
    the gates of the city. But outside are the dogs and sorcerers and sexually
    immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”


    Warnings about being blotted out of the Book of Life
    Revelation 3:5 ● “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments,
    and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life”

    Please note: the “overcomer” of 1 John 5:4-5 only overcomes “the world”,
    which is the world of unbelievers in John’s writings!


    Warnings about NOT being an overcomer
    Revelation 21:7-8 ● “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his
    God and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
    sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
    lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    Please note: in Revelation 3:21, Jesus defines who an “overcomer” is!

    Warnings in conditional “IF” verses
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 ● “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel
    … by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you -
    unless you believed in vain.”


    Warnings about failing to remain in Jesus and produce fruit
    John 15:1-10 ● “I am the true grapevine, and My Father is the gardener.
    He (Father God) cuts off every branch of Mine (Jesus) that doesn’t produce fruit,
    … Anyone who does not remain in Me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers.
    Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned.”


    Warnings about not loving and obeying Jesus
    John 14:15-23 ● “If you love Me, keep My commandments …
    He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me
    … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
    and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
    He who does not love Me does not keep My words”


    Warnings about falling away from the faith
    Hebrews 10:36-39 ● “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith;
    but IF anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.’
    But we are not of those who draw back to perdition
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    When people learn that the one(s) who convinced them eternal security/ universalism/ is good to think about (it is not - it brings a curse from the Creator),
    but when people
    learn that the one(s) supporting the heresy did so because they did not want to think of their loved one who passed away lost as lost forever,
    and
    not because it is truth - that they are afraid of and unwilling to trust the Father in truth -
    that
    helps them believe Jesus and come to the truth, to be very aware of all His Warnings,
    and
    to avoid the heresy in the future, in all of its various deadly forms.
     
  3. BCsenior

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    Hi Jeff, sounds like you might be against OSAS / eternal security!
     
  4. CharismaticLady

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    I think you went too far. OSAS is not Universalism. OSAS is only believers in Christ, whereas Universalism you can be a Satanist.

    I don't believe in either. But I do believe we can have assurance if we obey as in 1 John 3:21-23
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    What Jesus and the Father in Heaven is for, I am for.
    What Jesus and the Father in Heaven is against, I am against.

    That's Jesus' Instructions to all of Ekklesia.

    He really, really, really hates all the souls lost to heresy of osas/ eternal security.....
    <edit in for clarity: God hates (or grieves/ sorrows at their death) losing anyone, even the wicked, any soul, for any reason.... >

    NOT everyone is lost just for believing some heresy, but the other things that go along with heresy, like unbelief, lack of repentance, lack of obedience, fullness of darkness, and so on , when 'complete', or full up, is the wide road to destruction....
     
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  6. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Having assurance in Christ Jesus, in Truth as written, requires renouncing what is not from the Father, not adhering to what is not truth;

    if you don't believe in the heresies, don't defend them nor support them (not even in silence approval), lest it leads to receiving the punishment for such....
     
  7. Ghostjunkie

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    Eternal security was the first lie ever told by the snake to Eve, the idea that your salvation--your eternal life--is a given, that you may eat of the fruit, disobey God, and still have everlasting life. OSAS is false doctrine that treats your salvation like a checkbox on some government form. Take a bath with Jesus, then live 50 years in sin and blasphemy? No problem. Here's the keys to your mansion. Such a giant loophole in the Law that even a dimwitted god wouldn't ratify such a thing.
     
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  8. BCsenior

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    WOW ... you're really off the rails with this one!
    Keep it for a souvenier.
     
  9. CharismaticLady

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    Do you see me defending them? Or just not agreeing with you 100%
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Do you really , truly, believe the Father in Heaven loves losing anyone at all , regardless of it to unbelief or to heresy or any other avenue ?
     
  11. BCsenior

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    IMO, this is obvious to you because you are Pentecostal,
    i.e. supposedly because you have been baptized with the Holy Spirit.
     
  12. BCsenior

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    Thou saidest that He hates the souls who became lost.
     
  13. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Not because they are Pentecostal, no.

    Rather, because they abide with Jesus, in the Light. (you don't have to be Pentecostal to abide with Jesus, in the Light)
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

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    edited the post for clarity. English is a poor language to convey the truth that is better seen , more easily , in Hebrew (and maybe in Aramaic and/or in Greek).

    In Scripture, it is written "God hates" .... .... for those seeking to know who God hates. (or even perhaps closer to home, more pertinent, whose prayers God does not answer (separate search/ separate topic) )
     
  15. BCsenior

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    Would some American who speaks Jeff's language please step up to the plate?
    Thanks!
     
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  16. Ghostjunkie

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    I often point to Luke 14:26 to open minds as to what "hate" can mean in the bible. Read that, then dust off your Strong's and get ready.
     
  17. BCsenior

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    Okay, okay, I'll concede to you a field goal ... but I'm good at scorin' touchdowns!
     
  18. Der Alter

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    <GJ>Eternal security was the first lie ever told by the snake to Eve, the idea that your salvation--your eternal life--is a given, that you may eat of the fruit, disobey God, and still have everlasting life. OSAS is false doctrine that treats your salvation like a checkbox on some government form. Take a bath with Jesus, then live 50 years in sin and blasphemy? No problem. Here's the keys to your mansion. Such a giant loophole in the Law that even a dimwitted god wouldn't ratify such a thing.<GJ>
    That is the most distorted hateful description of OSAS I have ever heard. Have you ever actually read anything written by a denomination which believes in OSAS? Or do you just rely on what your denomination tells you about all those terrible people who do believe it OSAS.
     
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  19. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    That's not how minds are opened,
    nor how to learn what 'hate' means ....
    it most often leads to dis-information apparently.
    i.e. hate means hate ... NOT the infamous attempted softer 'love less' ....
     
  20. redleghunter

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    You are right. Unbelievers were never promised eternal life. What you posited up there is what unbelievers do...disobey and don't believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    Only the Sheep given to Jesus will never perish and not come into judgement.

    If eternal life is not eternal then it ain't eternal. ;)


    I trust Jesus and not your hypothetical situation of a supposed Caligula "Christian" who says a prayer proclaims to be saved and then continues in disobedience.


    John 10: KJV

    14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

    15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

    18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

    20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

    21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

    22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

    23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

    24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

    25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    30 I and my Father are one.
     
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