1 in 10 Australians extremely gullible.....

[Born to Watch]

Yes you do live in a matrix because all your interests are material.
For example there is no spirituality in christianity i doubt there ever really has been. Spirituality explained by average christians is weak to say the least i doubt most average pm christians could even explain to me the concept of metaphysics or the difference between esoteric/exoteric.

If they can they maybe on their way to understanding the concept of spirit however most are completely materialistic in psych outlook and wouldnt have a clue. I think the Holy spirit departed christianity a long time ago most likely when the Roman Catholics purged the cathars from their ranks.

MMMMmm Yes it is a material world and we live in it and last I seen we dont have any magic.
Outside of the Fruit of the Spirit in those I know, I see no real evidence of spirituality...maybe you can show me.
Maybe you have something I dont have on tap.
I cant say I have seen many healings or exorcisms or any spiritual tricks.

What spirituality have you got? Is it so good you cant share it?

Did I tell you I equate spirituality as a byproduct of the Word. The Gospel is first and foremost, spirituality is for the immature, in my opinion at least. Read the first chapter of Marks Gospel.

 

[MissIndigo]

This why I care. Doomsday 2012: Meet the families convinced Mayan calendar predicts end of world | Mail Online If there are groups like that overseas I bet there are groups like that here as well.

Well, some groups of people will find any reason to maim, kill or lead others astray.

If it wasn't the Mayan end of the world it might be some guy who had a dream while smoking pot and somehow managed to convince a bunch of people not satisfied with their lives over some thing or another to choose escapism over reality.

Besides, even though I do read the dailymail mostly for the cute animal stories and the 'around the web' section (some interesting links!) its pretty trashy journalism - or at least very biased and one sided. Very sensationalist type media which feeds into the reader's xenophobia, paranoia and the such for page hits.

So we shouldn't worry too much about these cults.

An example of a silly cult is the teapot cult in Malaysia where the leader has many wives, lives in a large teapot and calls himself a 'prophet'.

 

[Born to Watch]

and if the bible specifically instructed the Christian to be watchful, would you be so flippant?

 

[MissIndigo]

and if the bible specifically instructed the Christian to be watchful, would you be so flippant?

I smiled when I read your post.

Yes, being watchful is one thing, but hiding in your room with a tinfoil hat trembling in fear isn't exactly what I would consider a rational minded Christian to do.

I think watchful in my honest opinion might mean be mindful that the end time might be near, but we needn't fear to change or be so irrationally fearful of the whisper of a breeze that we would create suicide cults and drastically alter our beliefs to the point of an extreme.

Flippant might not be the right word to describe my attitude. Perhaps mindful but having faith that it is God's will in the end?

What can I do but spend my life trying to be a better Christian in my daily life as sincerely as I can...I'm not perfect, but I'm not afraid of being imperfect.

My point wasn't to come across as flippant or casual but to reiterate that if we live our lives fearful of every next second being the end of times it would have defeated the purpose of God creating life in this world.
I feel blessed for every good and bad thing in my life and if God sees fit for it to end then I accept it and thank Him for having given me the opportunity to experience this wonderful life and finding Him.

Perhaps my placid attitude would change if fiery rocks start raining from the Heavens. I don't know, I don't presume to know.

 

[joey_downunder]

It's a matter of keeping alert but not alarmed. Neither extreme is healthy. Christians are expected to know what's going on overall but still trust that God has it all under control. Jesus said this to His apostles after all matthew 10:16.

 

[Born to Watch]

I smiled when I read your post.

Yes, being watchful is one thing, but hiding in your room with a tinfoil hat trembling in fear isn't exactly what I would consider a rational minded Christian to do.

I think watchful in my honest opinion might mean be mindful that the end time might be near, but we needn't fear to change or be so irrationally fearful of the whisper of a breeze that we would create suicide cults and drastically alter our beliefs to the point of an extreme.

Flippant might not be the right word to describe my attitude. Perhaps mindful but having faith that it is God's will in the end?

What can I do but spend my life trying to be a better Christian in my daily life as sincerely as I can...I'm not perfect, but I'm not afraid of being imperfect.

My point wasn't to come across as flippant or casual but to reiterate that if we live our lives fearful of every next second being the end of times it would have defeated the purpose of God creating life in this world.
I feel blessed for every good and bad thing in my life and if God sees fit for it to end then I accept it and thank Him for having given me the opportunity to experience this wonderful life and finding Him.

Perhaps my placid attitude would change if fiery rocks start raining from the Heavens. I don't know, I don't presume to know.

Waiting for the return of the bridegroom does not illicit fear from my point of view.
In fact every Christian site I have read or visited has celebrated and yearned His return.
This horrendous devastating climactic event is welcomed and awaited with a fervent anticipation.
It is my prayer that Jesus returns soon, as He requested I pray.

You make some fairly stereo typical assumptions

 

[MissIndigo]

Waiting for the return of the bridegroom does not illicit fear from my point of view.
In fact every Christian site I have read or visited has celebrated and yearned His return.
This horrendous devastating climactic event is welcomed and awaited with a fervent anticipation.
It is my prayer that Jesus returns soon, as He requested I pray.

You make some fairly stereo typical assumptions

Hm, some miscommunication here.

My reply to you was based on the assumption your "flippant" comment was in response to my conversation "who cares its going to happen anyway" below with joey_downunder where I told him that there will always be cults when he expressed his concern for the suicide and doomsday cults.

Hence logical inference from your "if the bible specified so and so would you be as flippant" comment would seem to indicate your disapproval of the casual nature of my stance regarding the end of days, or at least the tone I spoke to regarding the conversation with joey_downunder.

Since the conversation was related I based my reply on the conversation, not your viewpoint of the return of Christ, especially since I have not had any conversation with you before this event and couldn't have possibly assumed your viewpoint was a stereotypical 'doom and gloom'. I can't deduce what I don't know about you.

It was directed at the doomsday cults comment and none of what I wrote was directed at you personally, so please do not assume so.

It was merely an analogy and not a statement.

For the record I do not think all Christians wait in fear of the coming, or create doomsday cult. In fact I actually said you will find all sorts of doomsday cults without pointing at Christianity.

You made a statement implying perhaps I was flippant. I merely offered an explanation to the contrary.

I'm glad you pray for Jesus to come and seem to be so involved in the Christian faith, but hopefully you do not take the position that a fellow Christian who replies to you, means badly of the Christian faith, or yourself personally.

 

[TrutherAU]

I have God within me through the Holy Spirit

Outside of the Fruit of the Spirit in those I know, I see no real evidence of spirituality...maybe you can show me.

The above quotes are your words btow not mine clearly if you keep mentioning spirit/Holy spirit then you invite rational minds to question your own so called logic. You either want to be seen as man of rationanlity & common sense or you want to count yourself among the ethereal that claim to carry some mysteries with esoteric pedigree.
Seems foolish that many christian clergy, mention a truck load of rhetoric about the holy spirit this, the holy spirit that,yet most dont seem to have slightest idea what their talking about or possibly its a case of left brain prisoners trying to get their ltd minds around a right brain concept they dont seem to have the ability to grasp!.Seems you are suffering the same mental frustration.

I ve seen it many times its pretty humourous watching them stumble with these concepts makes them look all the more like easy pickings for pple like Richard Dawkins!. My suggestion would be that you & they stay right away form these concepts since you simply dont seem to have the ability to explain them indeed some ministers or priests would have been better off in another perferrably left brain profession!.In many instances being trained or ordained a man of the cloth seems to be more of family tradition for some pretty feeble minds!.

 

[Born to Watch]

Hm, some miscommunication here.

My reply to you was based on the assumption your "flippant" comment was in response to my conversation "who cares its going to happen anyway" below with joey_downunder where I told him that there will always be cults when he expressed his concern for the suicide and doomsday cults.

Hence logical inference from your "if the bible specified so and so would you be as flippant" comment would seem to indicate your disapproval of the casual nature of my stance regarding the end of days, or at least the tone I spoke to regarding the conversation with joey_downunder.

Since the conversation was related I based my reply on the conversation, not your viewpoint of the return of Christ, especially since I have not had any conversation with you before this event and couldn't have possibly assumed your viewpoint was a stereotypical 'doom and gloom'. I can't deduce what I don't know about you.

It was directed at the doomsday cults comment and none of what I wrote was directed at you personally, so please do not assume so.

It was merely an analogy and not a statement.

For the record I do not think all Christians wait in fear of the coming, or create doomsday cult. In fact I actually said you will find all sorts of doomsday cults without pointing at Christianity.

You made a statement implying perhaps I was flippant. I merely offered an explanation to the contrary.

I'm glad you pray for Jesus to come and seem to be so involved in the Christian faith, but hopefully you do not take the position that a fellow Christian who replies to you, means badly of the Christian faith, or yourself personally.

Absolutely not, but I think its very important that the Christian watches and waits expectantly, like a bride waiting for the Bride Groom.
The unbelieving church , who believes Christ wont return, is real.

We are called to watch for the signs and be ready.
The signs are there
Last Days Mystery - Jesus said, Keep Watch

 

[Born to Watch]

The above quotes are your words btow not mine clearly if you keep mentioning spirit/Holy spirit then you invite rational minds to question your own so called logic. You either want to be seen as man of rationanlity & common sense or you want to count yourself among the ethereal that claim to carry some mysteries with esoteric pedigree.
Seems foolish that many christian clergy, mention a truck load of rhetoric about the holy spirit this, the holy spirit that,yet most dont seem to have slightest idea what their talking about or possibly its a case of left brain prisoners trying to get their ltd minds around a right brain concept they dont seem to have the ability to grasp!.Seems you are suffering the same mental frustration.

I ve seen it many times it pretty humourous watching them stumble with these concepts makes them look all the more like easy pickings for pple like Richard Dawkins!. My suggestion would be that you & they stay right away form these concepts since you simply dont seem to have the ability to explain them indeed some ministers or priests would have been better off in another perferrably left brain profession!.In many instances being trained or ordained a man of the cloth seems to be more of family tradition for some pretty feeble minds!.

You hit the nail on the head there chum
They are MY words

As opposed to the absolute nothing you placed on the table.
Jesus walked away from His miracles and signs and wonders, he walked away from places where His ministry could have grown. Why do you think that is?

I can see through you. Flash bangs and parlour tricks, well ho hum.

 

[TrutherAU]

As opposed to the absolute nothing you placed on the table.

This isnt about Jesus this is about YOU! You have proven my point that you have limited understanding of these concepts it is you that appears to offer nothing except material views related to pushing your right wing political views which you mention many times on this forum.

Clearly your really just one of those that likes using religion as a social control tool which is the major reason why the majority in western world want nothing to do with Christianity, you see the majority of educated pple always favour civil liberty over fascist stye social control approach. The majority on cc are not bothered by your approach because the majority of cc aus/nz are not even christians so they ignore you.

 

[Born to Watch]

This isnt about Jesus this is about YOU! You have proven my point that you have limited understanding of these concepts it is you that appears to offer nothing except material views related to pushing your right wing political views which you mention many times on this forum.

Clearly your really just one of those that likes using religion as a social control tool which is the major reason why the majority in western world want nothing to do with Christianity, you see the majority of educated pple always favour civil liberty over fascist stye social control approach. The majority on cc are not bothered by your approach because the majority of cc aus/nz are not even christians so they ignore you.

To quote my favourite Politician
"Please explain"
Sounds like empty rhetoric to me, accusations but no substance.

Where has your uber spirituality gone, vanished all of a sudden. Cant produce, so quickly duck and move on.
Stand up, dont run away. One step at a time. Time we seem to have plenty of.

So tell me Truther

What spirituality have you got? Is it so good you cant share it?

 

[Grace51]

The end of days is coming, but Christmas is not

Wish the article showed the ''run for the hills'' people's religious beliefs. What is even more worrying is that the ''yes'' vote for the online poll is currently at 13%!!!!! Are lefties more gullible?

i think the sample would suffer from what they called sampling error. ie the people who answered the poll is not an accurate representation of general australian population. this could happens as result of self selection bias. ie people who believe this kind of kooky stuff are more likely to answer the poll.

ps i am new zealander, so you trust my objectivity on this one ie i am not saying this because i am partial to aussies.

 

[TrutherAU]

To quote my favourite Politician
"Please explain"
Sounds like empty rhetoric to me, accusations but no substance.

Substance sir is all the posts in which you push your political views they are all over this section of the forum three years worth of them.
I suggest its the main reason you joined in the first place, added to that most of the topics discussed here are atleast 90% political threads not even strictly religion either.

Where has your uber spirituality gone, vanished all of a sudden. Cant produce, so quickly duck and move on.

I am not sure what you mean, i havent claimed uber anything, you brought up the Holy Spirit also the very platonic looking idea of duality of flesh v spirit ,however you have yet to explain your understanding of the concept it is you I am waiting for, it is you that is now in the witness box becaue you were the one that brought this up, still....waiting btw for you to explain the concept of the Holy spirit!. Remeber you "quoted "the Holy Spirit speaks through me".

 

[MissIndigo]

Absolutely not, but I think its very important that the Christian watches and waits expectantly, like a bride waiting for the Bride Groom.
The unbelieving church , who believes Christ wont return, is real.

We are called to watch for the signs and be ready.
The signs are there
Last Days Mystery - Jesus said, Keep Watch

Thanks for your reply!

I'll keep what you said in mind.

 

[TrutherAU]

Grace

this could happens as result of self selection bias. ie people who believe this kind of kooky stuff are more likely to answer the poll.

You do realise that a majority of pple find all religion kooky period.
So i assume you think this means some christians are somehow innocent of kookyness i doubt it, i think you need a wake up call.

 

[Born to Watch]

Substance sir is all the posts in which you push your political views they are all over this section of the forum three years worth of them.
I suggest its the main reason you joined in the first place, added to that most of the topics discussed here are atleast 90% political threads not even strictly religion either.


I am not sure what you mean, i havent claimed uber anything, you brought up the Holy Spirit also the very platonic looking idea of duality of flesh v spirit ,however you have yet to explain your understanding of the concept it is you I am waiting for, it is you that is now in the witness box becaue you were the one that brought this up, still....waiting btw for you to explain the concept of the Holy spirit!. Remeber you "quoted "the Holy Spirit speaks through me".

So what is my political view.
I see the Liberals as the lesser of the two evils but thats only because they can control spending.
I am not denying that at all, no conspiracy. I dont pretend I am uber spiritual and deny living in the real world.

I am not in the witness or any other box. The Spirit speaks through me by the fruit that I show, and indeed compared to who and what I was before my conversion the evidence is solid.

Sadly though this is all to hard and boring and I dont care enough to play games.
If I fail its because of God, if I succeed its due to God, your rhetoric has no value.
You win.

 

[MissIndigo]

Grace
You do realise that a majority of pple find all religion kooky period.
So i assume you think this means some christians are somehow innocent of kookyness i doubt it, i think you need a wake up call.

Haha, well without wanting to trivialise what you have said or butt in - every sect, cult, religion, group, etc has their eccentricities.

Reason is simple, we are all human beings, human beings have unique personalities that branch out sometimes into many interesting results and forms, culminating into ideas, thoughts and what not.

I personally think its better to have religion in this world regardless of what people think about it good or bad - it just seems to add so much more colour in this world, and shows everyone else how inspired, good or bad, humans can be by an idea/ideas.

 

[TrutherAU]

Stand up, dont run away. One step at a time.

So its you thats doing this then!! ahahha Great stuff!

 

[Born to Watch]

Haha, well without wanting to trivialise what you have said or butt in - every sect, cult, religion, group, etc has their eccentricities.

Reason is simple, we are all human beings, human beings have unique personalities that branch out sometimes into many interesting results and forms, culminating into ideas, thoughts and what not.

I personally think its better to have religion in this world regardless of what people think about it good or bad - it just seems to add so much more colour in this world, and shows everyone else how inspired, good or bad, humans can be by an idea/ideas.

One of the greatest joys of Christianity is diversity. Another is the different stages of maturity in the Christian walk, we are all different, yet all created by God. Christians seem more judgemental and beligrent toward each other than those in the world.
Its a sad broken world with sad broken people.
I hope the world ends this year.

Quote Truther

So its you thats doing this then!! ahahha Great stuff!

I answered evey question you asked, now I am bored so I am moving on. Call it running away if you choose. I dont mind