“I stood in the White House and told the president of the United States, I’d see him in court. Well we did see him in court, and we won."

[NxNW]

Do you honestly believe that everyone who voted for Kamala Harris also agree with you that the topic of this thread is "not a problem?" Or did they vote for Harris for other reasons?

This is only a problem in the minds of Trump supporters. Not anywhere on Planet Earth.

 

[NxNW]

Therefore, if there are one hundred, or 4 dozen, or 2 dozen examples of this problem, then what should be done about it?

Which figure is correct? You haven't posted a list of examples, so I can only conclude that this "problem" is nonexistent except in the minds of Trump supporters.

 

[Vambram]

Which figure is correct? You haven't posted a list of examples, so I can only conclude that this "problem" is nonexistent except in the minds of Trump supporters.

There's no definitive, precise number for the exact number of transgender female teenage athletes in the USA. However, estimates suggest that around 1.4% of youth aged 13 to 17 in the U.S. identify as transgender, which equates to about 300,000 youth, according to the Williams Institute. While this includes both male and female transgender individuals, it provides a general idea of the size of the transgender youth population.

How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

 

[Hans Blaster]

That question has already been answered repeatedly.

Nevertheless, it simply is wrong for biological males to be defeating and/or injuring biological females in girls' and women's sports.

Fearmongering, nothing more, nothing less. There is no evidence that injury rates are higher when HS transgendered athletes are participating.

 

[NxNW]

There's no definitive, precise number for the exact number of transgender female teenage athletes in the USA. However, estimates suggest that around 1.4% of youth aged 13 to 17 in the U.S. identify as transgender, which equates to about 300,000 youth, according to the Williams Institute. While this includes both male and female transgender individuals, it provides a general idea of the size of the transgender youth population.

How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

And they're all competing in sports? Or was that figure just brought up to mislead?

 

[Vambram]

And they're all competing in sports? Or was that figure just brought up to mislead?

I am not attempting to mislead anyone. You asked for research. So, asked Google's AI and showed what the AI provided along with the link to the report. But, I highlighted the 300,000 number because it shows that potential for the problem is not nearly as small as as it appears you are suggesting.

 

[Vambram]

Fearmongering, nothing more, nothing less. There is no evidence that injury rates are higher when HS transgendered athletes are participating.

I am not fearmongering, despite what you say. Even one more additional severe head injury ought not be acceptable when it is caused by a high school biological male competing against girls. Also, in my post which you quoted, I also included biological males aka transgender females "defeating" girls in sports. Defeating means winning the game of the team sport, or placing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, in an individual event. From my point of view, I am speaking logically.

 

[Bradskii]

This in incorrect. The voters in 2016, 2020, and 2024 who voted for Donald Trump did so because they saw him as the best option compared to the other choices. But, that doesn't mean that they excused what he before 2005.

Where you come from, maybe you can ignore what a man has done or has said before you decide who to vote for. Maybe you can ignore his lack of character. Maybe you can ignore the number of lies he tells. Maybe you can ignore his infidelities. His sexual escapades. His cruel taunts and belittling of others. Maybe you can excuse it all.

Where I come from, we don't consider inviting someone like that around for a BBQ. Let alone voting for him as the representative of our country.

We just had an election down here. We all voted yesterday. The results are in. Our equivalent of your Democrats won in an actual landslide. And truth be known, Trump had a hand in that just as he did in the Canadian elections.

I wouldn't have voted for the losing party under any circumstances. Their policies ran counter to what I believe in. And their leader had a very poor campaign, despite some help from the Trump inner circle: Trump campaign chief claims he helped Peter Dutton with election plan.

Or perhaps because of that: How Trump lost conservatives the Australian election

1. 'Over his three years as opposition leader, Peter Dutton, the hard-right prime ministerial candidate of the conservative Liberal Party of Australia, embraced MAGA-style politics and bigged up Trump. In February, for instance, Dutton called Trump a “big thinker” and lauded his “art of the deal” negotiation tactics after the American president called for the U.S. to take over Gaza and turn it into a Middle East Riviera.

2. In a nod to Trump’s attacks on the media, Dutton labeled Australia’s national broadcaster, the ABC, and the left-leaning Guardian newspaper “the hate media,” after they reported in the last week of the campaign that he was on track to lose the election.

3. Amid rising support in the polls for far-right parties including the Trumpet of Patriots and Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, Dutton sought to undercut their appeal by taking on some of their policies and aping their language.

But by attempting to woo these voters, Dutton alienated centrists, with his polling tanking among younger voters and women. That saw the Liberal Party bleed votes to both the Labor Party and to the so-called Teals — a group of socially liberal independents running on platforms championing climate action.

4. The Liberal Party leader, who during an election debate refused to say global warming was getting worse, campaigned on a platform of slowing the rollout of renewables and bringing nuclear power to Australia.

5. “Today the Australian people have voted for Australian values … for fairness, aspiration and opportunity for all,” the prime minister said in his victory speech Saturday. “For the strength to show courage in adversity and kindness to those in need.”

He even shut down an anti-Dutton heckler during his speech, saying: “No. No. What we do in Australia is we treat people with respect.”

Did you get that last note? Our PM refused to countenance someone heckling against his opponent. See what he said? 'we treat people with respect'. You cannot even begin to suggest that Trump does that.

So we rejected, en masse, the type of policies that you are now saddled with. We saw, oh so very clearly, the writing on the wall. But...let me say, the leader of the opposition is an honourable man. I'd have a beer with the guy and we'd argue about lots of things. But he did his best. He's just not the person we want leading the country. Your leader, on the other hand - and I say this with all the conviction I can put over, is not an honourable man. He has never been an honourable man. And he is completely unfit for public office.

So yeah. You have excused everything he has said and done. And any one example by any Australian politician would have meant instant rejection by the Australian public, whatever their politics. That's what happens in the real world. Which is not a world that you live in any more.

 

[Vambram]

So yeah. You have excused everything he has said and done. And any one example by any Australian politician would have meant instant rejection by the Australian public, whatever their politics. That's what happens in the real world. Which is not a world that you live in any more.

The voters of Australia made a choice and chose human politicians whom also are liars. Australia voters made a choice and they chose Anthony Albanese and his party to lead the nation. In the USA, in the real world in which I live in, I saw the public disrespect and public lying of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Tim Walsh, and more than a few other leaders of the USA Democratic Party. I also saw the public heckling (disrespect) of Donald Trump and public lying of Donald Trump. I saw all of that. In the real world, people are real. ALL leaders are real human people with real human failures of character. Show me a human who always treats everybody with respect all of the time whether in private or public and never ever fails to do so; show me a human who never ever is dishonest in public or in private. The only human who can do that over the course of a year is also a human whom atheists believe was only human but whom Christians believe is the Lord Jesus Christ. When humans do anything wrong, instead of excusing that, the correct thing to do is forgiving it while at the same time move forward, do better, and make better choices. Daily self-improvement is something that everyone ought to strive to do. That is the real world in which I live.

I sincerely thank you for your contributions to this discussion. Hopefully, you and I shall have more good discussions with each other.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The transgender ideology where biological males compete against biological females in sports is sickening and morally disgusting. Whatever happened to protecting the rights of girls and women so that they can compete on fair terms in athletics?

We should go back to the old ways of having officially co-ed leagues that mandated a minimum number of girls on the field in order to keep things fair.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

We should go back to the old ways of having officially co-ed leagues that mandated a minimum number of girls on the field in order to keep things fair.

Why stop there, go back to girls schools and colleges and bring back the Historical Black Colleges.

 

[Richard T]

That does make some sense to me if this issue is directly decided by voters.

Not many state do have much direct democracy where you vote a policy up or down. Maine how ever does have ballot initiatives, where it seems you petition to put something on the ballot. Citizen Initiative Application Packet | Sos
More likely though if voters do not like a certain policy they should elect different representatives. Maine has GOP Senators so it is not a stretch to suggest that they are more moderate than most of the NE states.

 

[NxNW]

Show me a human who always treats everybody with respect all of the time whether in private or public and never ever fails to do so; show me a human who never ever is dishonest in public or in private. The only human who can do that over the course of a year is also a human whom atheists believe was only human

Well, I don't even believe that much. I'm unconvinced that Jesus ever existed, though I'm only bringing it up to correct your misstatement.

When humans do anything wrong, instead of excusing that, the correct thing to do is forgiving it while at the same time move forward, do better, and make better choices. Daily self-improvement is something that everyone ought to strive to do. That is the real world in which I live.

I see one political party doing a vastly better job at that.

 

[Vambram]

I see one political party doing a vastly better job at that.

I don't see it that way at all. Both political parties are filled with humans who are ain't even close to being perfect humans.

 

[RileyG]

Why stop there, go back to girls schools and colleges and bring back the Historical Black Colleges.

That is not comparable to transgender nonsense. Boys are boys, and girls are girls. No one can identify or change their race. Good grief.

 

[RileyG]

Fearmongering, nothing more, nothing less. There is no evidence that injury rates are higher when HS transgendered athletes are participating.

Regardless, men don’t belong in women’s sports. It’s unfair.

 

[RileyG]

It also seems a lot of effort to attack the state for trying to accommodate a handful of student athletes who are different. What about those few kids scares all y'all?

They have a mental illness. Validating their delusion only harms them. It’s not about “being scared.”

 

[Hans Blaster]

I am not fearmongering, despite what you say. Even one more additional severe head injury ought not be acceptable when it is caused by a high school biological male competing against girls. Also, in my post which you quoted, I also included biological males aka transgender females "defeating" girls in sports. Defeating means winning the game of the team sport, or placing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, in an individual event. From my point of view, I am speaking logically.

If your concern is about injury, then all large and strong girls should be removed from HS sports whether they are trans or not.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

That is not comparable to transgender nonsense. Boys are boys, and girls are girls. No one can identify or change their race. Good grief.

My reply was in regards to going back to co-ed sports, not transgender stuff.

 

[friend of]

There's a world of difference between children's sports and adult sports. Why are people conflating the two?