You are comparing two different concepts.If 1% of the population believe that pedophilia is acceptable - you have no right to stop them?
That's kinda weird. You say that it's nonsensical to apologise and then make a point of saying we can stop all the whining now because you have apologised. You ask 'who cares?' I guess someone did.
'In this country, Congress has for years had similar legislation before it, but hasn't acted. Republican Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas is the sponsor of a resolution that finally passed the Senate in February; a House version is in the works. His resolution acknowledges a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies toward Indian tribes, and apologizes for violence, maltreatment and neglect.'
Apology to American Indians Moves Forward
A resolution making its way through Congress offers an apology to all Native peoples on behalf of the United States. It passed the Senate as an amendment to the Indian Health Care Improvement Act. The legislation comes after Australian and Canadian governments have both apologized to their...www.npr.org
It's just the first step. Recognising previous injustices, acknowledging them and apologising. Then you have to consider how to make up for it. Same as we are trying to do.We give an apology and then haters decide that's not enough.
Leftists ARE defending it but it is not fair and a mischaracterization (to lie) that leftists suggests it be allowed for children.This book is soft core porn because it shows oral sex. And it's only leftists that are defending this and supporting it being allowed for children. It says something about the left.
The book that you're talking about - Gender Queer: A Memoir - was not one of the books that people were objecting to at the library in the OP. Those books are listed in the article here. The references that I've found to "Gender Queer" being banned (or requested to be banned) have been in relation to high school libraries.It was in the kids section. So your argument is that it's perfectly okay to allow kids access to oral sex depictions? It remains very telling that it's the left arguing for such stuff.
Leftists ARE defending it but it is not fair and a mischaracterization (to lie) that leftists suggests it be allowed for children.
Leftists ARE defending it but it is not fair and a mischaracterization (to lie) that leftists suggests it be allowed for children.
The book that you're talking about - Gender Queer: A Memoir - was not one of the books that people were objecting to at the library in the OP. Those books are listed in the article here. The references that I've found to "Gender Queer" being banned (or requested to be banned) have been in relation to high school libraries.
Appreciate the clarification - it wasn't part of the original article. However, according to your article it was not in the children's - or even young adults - section:
A lawyer had reviewed the book and determined it wasn’t pornographic, McLain replied. Still, given the mature content, she’d initially placed it in the adult section — near novels with heterosexual sex scenes. As the objections mounted, though, she moved “Gender Queer” behind the counter, making it available only upon request.
Wait a sec. Find me ANYONE who has advocated for these books to be in the children's section of the library. YOU are making that point that the left WANTS it in the "children's section" when ABSOLUTLEY NOBODY has said anything even close to that.No it's not please read through this thread and find me a majority of leftist that have come out and said this book should not be in children's sections of the library.
A lawyer had reviewed the book and determined it wasn’t pornographic, McLain replied. Still, given the mature content, she’d initially placed it in the adult section — near novels with heterosexual sex scenes. As the objections mounted, though, she moved “Gender Queer” behind the counter, making it available only upon request.
So... kids are being taught about gay lifestyles... is that what you're saying?
If so, how old are the children being taught about gay lifesyles?
Are they being graded on what they're being taught in these classes?
"Statutory rape laws assume that all sexual activities involving individuals below a certain age are coercive."--aspe.hhs.gov
"Sexual activity may also include conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another or enhance the sex life of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners..."--wikipedia, human sexual activity
(orange added for emphasis)Wait a sec. Find me ANYONE who has advocated for these books to be in the children's section of the library. ...
I think it's fair to say "the left" (on cf) has argued that the book could easily belong in a public library ...
Now with that said, as a teacher, I have noticed something about the...."older generation". They seem to be falling under the misguided apprehension that all graphic novels are DIRECTED at children. ...
I support this as the EXACT handling of this book. Keeping it behind the counter seems like a FANTASTIC middle ground for those concerned.
Sounds like a good argument for leaving these books in the library and not giving them any publicity.The things that are hidden or forbidden are the most desired things of all.
Well, no kidding. Luckily it wasn't, so I can't comprehend the need to make this comment. I believe someone noted that it was appropriate for "16 (or 18) and up.(orange added for emphasis)
If it's in the children's section, then it's definitely directed at children.
If this is meant to be a compelling counter point, I am 100% lost. I don't feel a need to deny ANYTHING. Gender queer ABSOLUTELY can and should be in the library. If there are particularly sensitive pearl clutchers, I think that holding it behind the check out desk for those individuals who have heard about the book and would like to read it is a fantastic compromise as this way the book wouldn't get "stumbled up".Your logic doesn't work. And "could easily belong in a public library"... being used as plausable deniability... that isn't working either.
Are you kidding? Do you know how much pornography is available on line at the click of a button?The "older generation" will be gone soon enough and then you'll see what becomes of your brave new world.
Gay-rights parades during half-time? Porn on all the networks as after school specials?
So pray, what is the benefit of parents calling this stuff to attention and turning it into forbidden fruit? I mean, FWIW, I've ALREADY read the first part of this book online for free anyways.What good is that going to do? The things that are hidden or forbidden are the most desired things of all. It's not like the naughty list wouldn't be making the rounds. Heck, they'd probably be writing it in the bathroom stalls in crayon.
... I've ALREADY read the first part of this book ...
It seems kind of insane to withdraw the funding for an ENTIRE LIBRARY over 1-10 books. Like, full on crazy.
To be clear, you think kids should NOT be taught that gay and transgender people exist?Let me answer that for myself...
"Primary school children from the age of five are to be taught about gay and transgender relationships as part of compulsory lessons. New curriculum will bring an end of parents’ right to opt their children out of sex and relationships education classes in secondary school." ... 2019
Pupils to be 'taught about gay and transgender relationships'
Guidance about the new gay and transgender relationship lessons, which will be rolled out nationally next year, will be published tomorrow.www.dailymail.co.uk
Cumpulsory means coersion, right?
"Non-gays have no rights in England anymore".Intended to arouse the sexual interest of a child... that's pedophila.
Maybe the laws in not-so-jolly-old-england are different than what happens in the USA?
Gotta wonder how many parents decided to home-school after that... or emigrate.
How many people decided not to have children since parents have no rights.
It looks like recruitment is being done by the gay-rights-guys.
But non-gays have no rights in England anymore. How long before the USA follows suit?
Nope. They just want to exist and they want to share their stories. It seems like even them at just "live" is getting to be too much.Before this, I was leaning towards a "live and let live" ideology... now, not so much.
Because they don't want equality, they want to run things, and the government is aiding and abetting.
And I bet you'd LOVE it if we had an imam come in and try to convert your kids right? Nope. So....NOBODY gets to talk about religion in school."train up a child in the way he should go..." Nope! Can't evangelize or talk religion in school!
Stuff like a male teacher saying "I'm married to a man and I love him. We are adopting a child and are very happy"?What sort of teachers are telling 5-year olds that stuff? Are they recruiting gay teachers, too?
I'll tell you how. Most reasonable, rational parents understand that many MANY educational professionals and psychologists have studied and have a GOOD understanding of what children are developmentally able to understand. You do not. You know ONLY what you don't want your kid to hear.How do the parents allow that to happen without personally supervising the entire event?
They could do it on a rotation basis. After all, if you can't get a pelvic exam without a nurse in the room...
These are children, who can't even be questioned by the police without a guardian in the room.
No place left to run to anymore.
You never complained about the photography section.Seems even crazier that (1) a Library wants funding for pornography, and (2) people are defending pornography.
It's not like libraries are made to buy pornography... so maybe the issue is with that librarian who did the ordering.
Can't librarians get fired if enough people complain? If I lived anywhere near there, I'd be doing that.
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