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    Mis-conceptions about Patristic Universalism

    Hi :) what is elevator theology? .... I think that evil can be overcome with love and truth, but perhaps not in ways that we will see imediately. I can't speak for Paul, but maybe he thought this was an ideal way to live, but was working towards it ... like a journey to get better at it rather...
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    Mis-conceptions about Patristic Universalism

    It is important to note for those who want to, so I guess you are not one of them. :D
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    I never thought of it that way Dave. That's a good point that makes sense. It would be why Jesus told us to love, because he stated the truth that reflected his fathers will that we should love. Love is the remedy to our spiritual illness, and Jesus spoke of it because it is true. What you said...
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    I read it as everlasting destruction of the body (death). But msmorality has pointed to other verses that indicate our spirits will be corrected over time. There is no eternal torment for sure. The concept was unknown, especially to the OT writers.
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    Near Death Expereinces(NDE)

    I've thought of that as well, but reading through the near death website has made me change my mind.
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    I thought exegesis was a critical analogy of text: ex·e·ge·sis (ks-jss) n. pl. ex·e·ge·ses (-sz) Critical explanation or analysis, especially of a text. [Greek exgsis, from exgeisthai, to interpret : ex-, ex- + hgeisthai, to lead; see sg- in Indo-European roots.]
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    I agree wth what you are saying here. Much of the bible was written with poetic expressions that religins read literally, and with many different interpretations. Much of it is based on conceptual interpretation, like the parable of the sower, the Rich man and Lazerus, ripping out our eye if it...
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    I think they are when they are brought into action from motivations that are selfless acts of will to benefit others. This is love, that was given to us first by God.
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    Hi :) I think that our salvation hinges only on the Grace of God. Our faith is the vehicle that transports God's grace, and our faith is dependent on our trust that we have in God. This trust is only viable, because God can be trusted. 1. He loves us beyond measure and proved this throught the...
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    Thank you, that's what I think too :thumbsup:
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    That was very infromative, thank you :) ... Do you think all spirits return to God, while evil and flesh is destroyed?
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    Hi :) I think that Jesus paid the price for the required punishment of sins. I don't really think of it as punishment, but the truth that the consquence of wrong actions (sin) will reap distruction (punishment). Jeus came to provide the necesarry sacrifice of his life, so he took all the...
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    The second one seems to make more sense... but I am not God, lol. Are their any scriptures that would indicate they could be corrected instead of annihilated? Can spirits be destroyed? I don't know if I am right, but I think that Jesus paid the price for complete annihilation, for everyone...
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    presses *LIke button :)
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    Thank yor for the reply :) Will their spirits be desroyed also? Can spirits be destroyed or are they a part of God that is eternal? Do you think that God may reincarnate people, letting them learn through many lifetimes, correcting their spirits? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I think there...
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    Near Death Expereinces(NDE)

    I agree with everyhing you said... very nice post :) My mom died in my arms many years ago. she had cancer. I was praying with her and when I said "God, please let my mom into you Kingdom", she died instantly and I felt her spirt left in an instant. I was so shocked... in my mind I cried no not...
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    What do you tell people about this verse: Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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    Near Death Expereinces(NDE)

    Yes, I agree with both of you that they exist. Before I started looking into it, I started getting these thougt, like we are reincarnated into defferet people, picked out specifically to teach us what we need to know that fits us perfectly. We are given a certain problem to overcome wihtinour...
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    Near Death Expereinces(NDE)

    Thank you, what an awesome compliment :)
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    Traditions teach a cruel God

    When I read Genesis, I think how very close these people came to an outline of events that actually occurred, and how it must have beem completely unknown to them how close they were comming to what actually transpired. I don't really know why it would be important to try to make it seem exact...