Near Death Expereinces(NDE)

[Huram Abi]

Fair enough.

I'm glad you are aware enough to know that your belief is subjective and honest enough to admit as much.

Quite refreshing, actually.

 

[Reine]

Thank you ... Mostly people get annoyed when I say that, lol. God is IMO a diemention that we cannot see, and certainly not prove to others... so why would we insist that others live by our subjective experiences? Insisting on this is what makes people not want to look within and find thier own subjective truth with God, because they are to busy feeling alienated and attacked by people trying to force their opinions on them. This stuff makes people loose site of what real truth is. You see, subjective truth is also real and valid.... but it is only so by personal experience, and it has to be worked through and tested just like objective truths. When people argue about religion, they actually begin to beleive lies as an attempt to prove their own subjective truth... and in doing so they lose sight of what the real truth is about themselves. The kingdom of God really is within... that is what people of faith are supposed to be focusing on. Just IMO

 

[Huram Abi]

You are quite likeable.

 

[Reine]

You are quite likeable.

well... thank you!

 

[peter222999]

While I do not doubt a minute what happened to you In fact I am envious.
One in a great while,out of the blue a thought from no where enters my mind.

This seem to be a s solid a contact I have ever had with the Lord,
except of cours when i am re-reading chapter and a scripture jumps
out at me.

 

[Reine]

While I do not doubt a minute what happened to you In fact I am envious.
One in a great while,out of the blue a thought from no where enters my mind.

This seem to be a s solid a contact I have ever had with the Lord,
except of cours when i am re-reading chapter and a scripture jumps
out at me.

I think I have been doing astral projection (remote vieing) and certain types of medication techniques that anyone can do. These things happen to us, and we don't realize it is alway there for us.. and we can perfect these types of encounters with God. Find the meditation part of this site:

Astral Projection (OBE)

 

[Blaine01]

God is IMO a diemention that we cannot see, and certainly not prove to others... so why would we insist that others live by our subjective experiences? Insisting on this is what makes people not want to look within and find thier own subjective truth with God, because they are to busy feeling alienated and attacked by people trying to force their opinions on them.

I’ve been a pastor for over thirty five years and I would like to argue your view point but I can not. There is a tremendous amount of wisdom in your point of view. We do need to learn to think outside the box.

 

[Reine]

I’ve been a pastor for over thirty five years and I would like to argue your view point but I can not. There is a tremendous amount of wisdom in your point of view. We do need to learn to think outside the box.

Thank you, what an awesome compliment

 

[Cuddles333]

Science has taken NDEs to TDEs (Total Death Experiences). Now we know scientifically that we and others exist even after the death of our physical body.



The Day I Died | Watch Free Documentary Online

 

[LinuxUser]

Greetings to all.

I am just wondering what the views on Near Death Experiences are. I often see them being fiercely debated. Some think they are deceptive lies sent from a devil figure, while others claim they are revelations as to the true nature of "God". Others claim that they are some sort of chemical released into the brain when it struggles with death. But whatever the case, I wouldn't mind seeing some thoughts on this.

Before anyone answers however, I would appreciate if you would take some time to research a bit, if you are not familiar with NDE's.

Here is probably the most informative site on the web.

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Ready...set...and...RESPOND!

I believe they are very real. I had one and there was "no light at the end of the tunnel" what I saw was my body and knew if I went out of my house I would not go to Heaven. Did not sleep the rest of the night and that began my journey for truth

 

[Reine]

Yes, I agree with both of you that they exist. Before I started looking into it, I started getting these thougt, like we are reincarnated into defferet people, picked out specifically to teach us what we need to know that fits us perfectly. We are given a certain problem to overcome wihtinour selves that is important for our jorney. Then I found the near death site and saw that that was what was happening, along iwth mn other things that I was pondering.

 

[Blaine01]

One thing we can all agree on is that physical death is an absolute; it will come at some point. I have read many near death experiences and have talked to a couple people that have experienced them.

The problem with testimonies is that in our society today many seek absolute proof and faith isn’t enough. In essence if you can’t feel it, touch it, smell it then I’m not buying it. It is my opinion that one of the reasons for this is the amount of deceptions; lies, false teachings, and con artist have left many wondering what is truth, and sadly enough I can’t blame them.

I can tell someone they can have a personal relationship with God through his Son and the Holy Spirit but until they experience it many are not willing to believe based on faith alone.

I for one firmly believe that the spirit is separate of the body, that leaves the physical body upon death, however for the skeptic that is a hard pill to swallow and somewhat understandable. For me sitting with someone as they pass I believe I can sense the spirit leave the body, and I have seen a couple of amazing things as a person body dies, but my testimonies are not different that anyone else, they are subjective and I can not give anyone absolute proof.

For the ones that believe that this life is all there is, that to me leave life pretty meaningless.

 

[Reine]

One thing we can all agree on is that physical death is an absolute; it will come at some point. I have read many near death experiences and have talked to a couple people that have experienced them.

The problem with testimonies is that in our society today many seek absolute proof and faith isn’t enough. In essence if you can’t feel it, touch it, smell it then I’m not buying it. It is my opinion that one of the reasons for this is the amount of deceptions; lies, false teachings, and con artist have left many wondering what is truth, and sadly enough I can’t blame them.

I can tell someone they can have a personal relationship with God through his Son and the Holy Spirit but until they experience it many are not willing to believe based on faith alone.

I for one firmly believe that the spirit is separate of the body, that leaves the physical body upon death, however for the skeptic that is a hard pill to swallow and somewhat understandable. For me sitting with someone as they pass I believe I can sense the spirit leave the body, and I have seen a couple of amazing things as a person body dies, but my testimonies are not different that anyone else, they are subjective and I can not give anyone absolute proof.

For the ones that believe that this life is all there is, that to me leave life pretty meaningless.

I agree with everyhing you said... very nice post My mom died in my arms many years ago. she had cancer. I was praying with her and when I said "God, please let my mom into you Kingdom", she died instantly and I felt her spirt left in an instant. I was so shocked... in my mind I cried no not yet! I'm not ready, I didn't finish telling her everything I wanted to say. I just wasn't ready for my mom to leave... but at the same time I knew God was telling me he had my mom in the palm of his almighty hand. At the exact same time a friend of mine was sitting on her bed and she said she had this picture/vision of me praying with my mom at her bedside..and my mom going to heaven. God stores our treasures in heaven for us, the people we love, keeping them safe.


It can be frustrating to see people need Jesus, and to have them not 'get it' because it is such a personal experience that one has to open themselves up to. I have learned to be a witness of God by not worrying about it and being a witness of steadfast love. I state my relationship to God naturally as it comes to my mind, not trying to prove God.. but simply stating my thoguhts. If there is resistance to my idea, I don't argue my point because I am not trying to prove anything. I urge people to connect with God throuth their own experineces, and not mine. I have found that God can be copletely trusted to interact with them then in his time, that I may not understand but have learned to have patience for and wait

 

[GrayAngel]

I'm on the fence with this one. I've gone back and forth on the issue. Currently, however, I do not believe that NDEs are real, but that people experience them when their brains begin to lose functioning.

Dr. Oz had an episode that spoke of NDEs. In his diagram, he showed how the outer edges of the brain would stop first, and the inner layers would continue going for a few minutes longer. This might explain the strange sensations people come back feeling.

The reason why I don't believe their experiences were real, however, was because of something one woman said. She claimed to have had a NDE, and she made the comment that it didn't matter what religion you belonged to, but that "they all work."

This is clearly contradictory to what the Bible teaches, so I have to reject her whole story as nothing more than a hallucination produced by her dieing brain.

 

[Reine]

I'm on the fence with this one. I've gone back and forth on the issue. Currently, however, I do not believe that NDEs are real, but that people experience them when their brains begin to lose functioning.

Dr. Oz had an episode that spoke of NDEs. In his diagram, he showed how the outer edges of the brain would stop first, and the inner layers would continue going for a few minutes longer. This might explain the strange sensations people come back feeling.

The reason why I don't believe their experiences were real, however, was because of something one woman said. She claimed to have had a NDE, and she made the comment that it didn't matter what religion you belonged to, but that "they all work."

This is clearly contradictory to what the Bible teaches, so I have to reject her whole story as nothing more than a hallucination produced by her dieing brain.

I've thought of that as well, but reading through the near death website has made me change my mind.

 

[Blaine01]

The reason why I don't believe their experiences were real, however, was because of something one woman said. She claimed to have had a NDE, and she made the comment that it didn't matter what religion you belonged to, but that "they all work."

I can certainly understand your skepticism but you really shouldn’t base it on one person’s testimony. Remember Satan can appear as an angle of light, and has deceived many. I do understand the argument pertaining to a dying brain. However look at the cases where the EEG was flat line, and there was no brain activity.

Secondly many of these people were able to convey information while separated from their physical body that there was no possible way they could have known. Since this has become a very debatable issue and one that many people are interested in you can be assured there will be false testimonies mixed in with the real.

I have read the same testimonies of people claiming that religion didn’t matter, of course they were non Christians, I have also read the ones of Christians that say they met with Christ. One of the best was by a lady name of Betty, she said “Jesus stretched out his arms between her and the Father and said my blood is sufficient for this one” To me that is one powerful testimony for Christianity. Here again though, it just boils down to if you wish to believe or not. I don’t believe we are going to find a scientific formula to prove life after death, reason being Jesus said we need to come by faith, then the Holy Spirit takes over.

 

[paul becke]

[FONT=&quot]Maybe if you aren't familiar with big numbers . What I mean by that is, for example, the millions of people who flock to holy sites for miracle cures. They keep track of said 'miracles' and report perhaps one in 20 million that cannot be easily explained by science. They don't grow a limb back or any genuine miracle, but they recover against huge odds. If you are familiar with odds and big numbers these examples are clearly not miracles. Like if I said 'there will be murder in America, a young woman walking home from the shops…and the body will be buried near water close to trees’. Now, if in the next 20 years this happened, would I have just made a miraculous premonition? Or if you think about someone then the phone rings and it is them, are you psychic? It's not quite as miraculous as you would like to believe...sorry.[/FONT]

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'They don't grow a limb back or any genuine miracle, but they recover against huge odds.'

A great and in parts amusing account of the extraordinary miracle of Jack Traynor's cure from multiple injuries at Lourdes, when at death's door. Only the last paragraph is deeply disappointing. The bigotry between Catholics and Protestants was much worse prior to Vatican II.

Miracle at Lourdes THE REMARKABLE STORY OF JOHN TRAYNOR

 

[paul becke]

Here, too, is a famous miraculous cure obtained by Padre Pio, recenty canonised). Reminds me of the words of the young man who had been blind from birth, and whose sight Jesus restored. This very brief account was, I feel sure only one of many on the Google pages under 'miracles padre pio' :

You should find enough material for you to kick your atheism into touch, but it is common for atheists to delude themselves that their quest is truly a rational one, because it all comes down in the end to the heart, the will - wanting the beauty of the faith to be true ! If we do, we cannot be disappointed, because God himself put that love of beauty and truth in our hearts. The writer Emil Zola said he would believe the miracles at Lourdes if he saw one with his own eyes. He did, but he didn't. He did see a mircale with his own eyes, but he didn't begin to believe.

In any case, faith is more than credence (and immeasurably more than credulity). St James said in his Epistle that the devils beleive and tremble. It entails a belief that translates into a commitment - and that's why many atheists will not believe, as Father Abraham said to the rich man who ignored Lazarus' indigent plight, 'even if a man should rise from the dead'.

 

[paul becke]

I agree with everyhing you said... very nice post My mom died in my arms many years ago. she had cancer. I was praying with her and when I said "God, please let my mom into you Kingdom", she died instantly and I felt her spirt left in an instant. I was so shocked... in my mind I cried no not yet! I'm not ready, I didn't finish telling her everything I wanted to say. I just wasn't ready for my mom to leave... but at the same time I knew God was telling me he had my mom in the palm of his almighty hand. At the exact same time a friend of mine was sitting on her bed and she said she had this picture/vision of me praying with my mom at her bedside..and my mom going to heaven. God stores our treasures in heaven for us, the people we love, keeping them safe.


It can be frustrating to see people need Jesus, and to have them not 'get it' because it is such a personal experience that one has to open themselves up to. I have learned to be a witness of God by not worrying about it and being a witness of steadfast love. I state my relationship to God naturally as it comes to my mind, not trying to prove God.. but simply stating my thoguhts. If there is resistance to my idea, I don't argue my point because I am not trying to prove anything. I urge people to connect with God throuth their own experineces, and not mine. I have found that God can be copletely trusted to interact with them then in his time, that I may not understand but have learned to have patience for and wait

I believe you will find people respond positively to the very fact that you speak about God naturally, as you would talk about anything else.

 

[paul becke]

Fair enough.

I'm glad you are aware enough to know that your belief is subjective and honest enough to admit as much.

Quite refreshing, actually.

Ther is a certain irony in all this discussion of subjective and objective truth, in that, thanks to quantum mechanics, even the physical world is now known to be perceived by us 'inter-subjectively'. At atomic and subatomic level, the individual even physically affects particles by the mere fact of observing them !

Personally, I believe that all the scientific (physical) evidence indicates that we each live in a little world of our own, integrated and coordinated by God with everyone else's 'own little world', to form the world we know at the everyday, human scale, the scale of classical, mechanistic physics elaborated by Newton.