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YES!! IF they do so in order to be saved!! Anyone depending on anything or any observance other than Faith in Jesus need to be pited because they are lost. DD

You make a very good point here. I will have to look at these verses closer. Thanks. dd

Anytime you are not resting in Jesus as your ONLY hope of salvation you are breaking the Sabbath. Anytime you are not trusting in His Finished Work on your behalf you are breaking the Sabbath. DD

Why didn't I think of that? ;) DD

You decription of SDA's sounds like greek to me. :) But sadly there is some within SDAism that believes what you say above. You would have to be perfect to survive in with that type of belief. But the truth is: With all our sins and weaknesses we are accepted in the beloved. dd

The moment Adam sinned our destruction was assured but Jesus came and set us free. Rejoice! Salvation is assured to all those who trust in Jesus. "What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us...

let me clarify. I do believe the bible teach assurance of salvation based totally upon Jesus' blood and righteousness and not on any works of mine. my point is that this could be thought of as OSAS, but it's not, and just wanted other thoughts on this subject. :) dd

or he could promise her a spot on the supreme court when the next justice retires. Just don't give her the VP slot. That would be nothing but TROUBLE.

What about once saved always saved? Do you believe a person can have assurance of salvation and NOT believe the bible teaches this doctrine? Most Adventist, including myself, don't believe in OSAS. Yet still have assurance because we believe that the same blood that saves us today is able to...

terrible. :pray: DD

Interesting question. It seems scripture supports that the qualification of the believer already has been secured by Jesus blood and righteousness. As a matter of fact the Holy Spirit can only work in the person who has accepted this gift of Grace. "For by one offering He has perfected for all...

Oh, he leads in popular votes also. :clap: DD

count the delagates buddy.:P DD

no on both counts. Only Jesus saves and keeps us saved. And it is ALL by Grace. "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Phil 1:6 "Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for...

BEN-HUR best movie of all time!!! dd

:thumbsup: to Hyveth Williams.

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." John 6:37 DD

I have no problem with that either. The church I attend claps, lifts up hands, stands, sings. we just praise and worship God. dd

I agree.

I love all forms of music except RAP and COUNTRY. my favorites artist are: Christian: Ylonda Adams 2 chapter of Acts CC Winans The Praise Series [praise 1, 2, etc] Secular: Earth, Wind, and Fire Enya [anybody heard of them] I love their sound. dd