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AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T09:05:34-0500

2PhiloVoid said:

From AI Overview:

The Gauls and the Celts are essentially the same people, representing a case of "all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares."

"Celts" is a broad umbrella term for a large group of ancient Indo-European tribes, while "Gauls" refers to a specific subset of those tribes who lived in Western Europe.

The difference between the two terms boils down to geography, language, and who was doing the naming:

1. Naming and Geography

The Celts: The term comes from the ancient Greek word Keltoi, which historians and travelers used to describe the nomadic, iron-wielding tribes living across much of Europe.

The Gauls: This is a Roman term. When the Roman Republic expanded, they encountered these Celtic tribes in modern-day France, Belgium, Switzerland, and Northern Italy. The Romans called them Galli (from which we get "Gauls") and referred to their territory as Gallia (Gaul).

2. They Didn't Call Themselves Either Name

Ironically, the people we study as Gauls or Celts generally did not use these terms for themselves. Instead, they identified by their specific, independent tribes (such as the Aedui, Arverni, or Sequani), rather than as a unified "Celtic" or "Gallic" nation.

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-15T10:34:03-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Enough about the Celts!

Were they any good this year? The Knicks are champs.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T10:47:13-0500

AV1611VET said:
From AI Overview:

The Gauls and the Celts are essentially the same people, representing a case of "all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares."

"Celts" is a broad umbrella term for a large group of ancient Indo-European tribes, while "Gauls" refers to a specific subset of those tribes who lived in Western Europe.

The difference between the two terms boils down to geography, language, and who was doing the naming:

1. Naming and Geography

The Celts: The term comes from the ancient Greek word Keltoi, which historians and travelers used to describe the nomadic, iron-wielding tribes living across much of Europe.

The Gauls: This is a Roman term. When the Roman Republic expanded, they encountered these Celtic tribes in modern-day France, Belgium, Switzerland, and Northern Italy. The Romans called them Galli (from which we get "Gauls") and referred to their territory as Gallia (Gaul).

2. They Didn't Call Themselves Either Name

Ironically, the people we study as Gauls or Celts generally did not use these terms for themselves. Instead, they identified by their specific, independent tribes (such as the Aedui, Arverni, or Sequani), rather than as a unified "Celtic" or "Gallic" nation.

I'm not questioning the generic historical relation of some of the Celts with some of the Galatians. I've studied World History and I'm already aware of that.

I just not going to step a foot toward British or Anglo Israelism.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T11:02:26-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
I just not going to step a foot toward British or Anglo Israelism.

I have no idea what happened to the "ten lost tribes."

What I'm pointing out is that other cultures knew about God and the Exodus; not just the Hebrews.

Remember what Rahab the harlot said?

Jos 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Look what the Philistines knew:

1Sa 6:1 And the ark of the LORD was in the country of the Philistines seven months.
2 And the Philistines called for the priests and the diviners, saying, What shall we do to the ark of the LORD? tell us wherewith we shall send it to his place.
3 And they said, If ye send away the ark of the God of Israel, send it not empty; but in any wise return him a trespass offering: then ye shall be healed, and it shall be known to you why his hand is not removed from you.

And I could go on and on.

In short, I'm not buying it when someone tells me the Celts were more ignorant than a shrewdness of college students about God.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:15:36-0500

AV1611VET said:
I have no idea what happened to the "ten lost tribes."

What I'm pointing out is that other cultures knew about God and the Exodus; not just the Hebrews.

Remember what Rahab the harlot said?

Jos 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Look what the Philistines knew:

1Sa 6:1 And the ark of the LORD was in the country of the Philistines seven months.
2 And the Philistines called for the priests and the diviners, saying, What shall we do to the ark of the LORD? tell us wherewith we shall send it to his place.
3 And they said, If ye send away the ark of the God of Israel, send it not empty; but in any wise return him a trespass offering: then ye shall be healed, and it shall be known to you why his hand is not removed from you.

And I could go on and on.

In short, I'm not buying it when someone tells me the Celts were more ignorant than a shrewdness of college students about God.

Unfortunately, AV, the way historical thinking actually works is that you have to have the proper evidence for the overall assertion you want to make, not making up ad hoc, invalid, unsound arguments.

So, I'm not buying the ad hoc assertion that Stonehenge is somehow a reflection of Hebrew theology pertaining to the Passover.

Stop making things up and stuffing all of it into the holes that no one can answer. It'd be better to say, 'We don't know,' than to think that anyone can make up an answer and 'GO WITH IT' simply because ...................................... we're free. That's not how logic or historical research works.

Platte · 2026-06-15T11:17:54-0500

Ophiolite said:
It clear that @Platte accepts the age of the Earth as being 6,000 years as a matter of faith. While, personally, I have no regard for faith I accept it as a proper means for an individual to use to validate their beliefs, for themselves. What I can neither understand, accept, or approve of is the need to denigrate and condemn the methodologies used by evidence based, objective analysis as being "science fiction". There are two things wrong with that approach - first it is based on a seemingly self indulgent rejection of well established and multiply validated techniques; secondly it implicitly disparages the value of faith. I find both these aspects unpleasant.

I'm actually quite surprised that you science people are not more critical of C14 - its bad - really bad. There are 2 major environmental issues that cause C14 not valid over the past 400 years. Is that not a clue? Or are you saying, yes there are 2 issues in our lifetime - but not in any lifetime before us. That is really naive.

There are multiple other issues with C14 that by themselves would also rule out anyone claiming C14 as fact - instead of simply saying the based on C14 we estimate the age of Item X to Be Y....understanding that we could be off by 10%, maybe 20%, we even maybe completely off - but this is our best estimate based on limited tools that we have.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:22:20-0500

Platte said:
I'm actually quite surprised that you science people are not more critical of C14 - its bad - really bad. There are 2 major environmental issues that cause C14 not valid over the past 400 years. Is that not a clue? Or are you saying, yes there are 2 issues in our lifetime - but not in any lifetime before us. That is really naive.

There are multiple other issues with C14 that by themselves would also rule out anyone claiming C14 as fact - instead of simply saying the based on C14 we estimate the age of Item X to Be Y....understanding that we could be off by 10%, maybe 20%, we even maybe complete off - but this is our best estimate based on limited tools that we have.

Maybe we're not so critical of it because we've read/studied other sources that you haven't (or that you refuse to study), brother Platte.

It shouldn't be a surprise as to 'why' we do.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T11:24:02-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
So, I'm not buying the ad hoc assertion that Stonehenge is somehow a reflection of Hebrew theology pertaining to the Passover.

It's important to you that the Celts were dumber than a hay rake re Hebrew theology, isn't it?

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:25:47-0500

AV1611VET said:
It's important to you that the Celts were dumber than a hay rake re Hebrew theology, isn't it?

It's important to you to create made up assertions that have no evidence in order to make the mud you like to throw stick, isn't it?

(See? Two people can play that game.) :ahah:

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:27:02-0500

AV1611VET said:
It's important to you that the Celts were dumber than a hay rake re Hebrew theology, isn't it?

Face it, AV. You're outmatched by superior Christian minds.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T11:29:20-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
It's important to you to create made up assertions that have no evidence in order to make the mud you like to throw stick, isn't it?

Egyptians? no problem

Canaanites? no problem

Philistines? no problem

Babylonians? no problem

Edomites? no problem

Moabites? no problem

Romans? no problem

Celts? 404

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:31:46-0500

AV1611VET said:
Egyptians? no problem

Canaanites? no problem

Philistines? no problem

Babylonians? no problem

Edom? no problem

Moab? no problem

Romans? no problem

Celts? 404

Oh my, yet another post that essentially states nothing directly and over which we can only guess what your specific intent is.

Save your time, AV, before someone spanks Alfred E. Neuman like the red-headed step-child that he is. ^_^

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T11:33:45-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Face it, AV. You're outmatched by superior Christian minds.

I'm a little confused as to what "superior Christian minds" have against the Celts.

I do realize that if you're not either in college right now, or you've graduated but not kept up with tomorrow's science, you're not part of the in-crowd anymore and just plain slipping into ignorance; but this Celt stuff is going overboard in my opinion.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:35:38-0500

AV1611VET said:
I'm a little confused as to what "superior Christian minds" have against the Celts.

I do realize that if you're not either in college right now, or you've graduated but not kept up with tomorrow's science, you're not part of the in-crowd anymore and just plain slipping into ignorance; but this Celt stuff is going overboard in my opinion.

You're the one who brought up the Celts. But, I'm more than willing to drop-kick it to the side so as not to draw anymore attention to the topic in a thread on Creation & Evolution.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T11:37:09-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Oh my, yet another post that essentially states nothing directly and over which we can only guess what your specific intent is.

Save your time, AV, before someone spanks Alfred E. Neuman like the red-headed step-child that he is.

Just fyi, from AI Overview:

The ancient Celts provided foundational advancements in metallurgy, agriculture, and hygiene. As the master ironsmiths of Iron Age Europe, their practical engineering and material innovations—ranging from the earliest soaps and armor to the heavy plow—helped shape the technological trajectory of the Western world.

And think about it ... they did it all w/o knowing even what a Hebrew was.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T11:39:24-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
You're the one who brought up the Celts. But, I'm more than willing to drop-kick it to the side so as not to draw anymore attention to the topic in a thread on Creation & Evolution.

Just don't try to convince me the Celts didn't know anything about Hebrew theology, and we'll get along better.

When a harlot knows more about God than a Harvard -- that's sad.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T11:48:26-0500

AV1611VET said:
Just don't try to convince me the Celts didn't know anything about Hebrew theology, and we'll get along better.

The fact is, neither of us knows how many of the individual Celts learned any tidbits whatsoever about Hebrew theology. So don't talk to me like you somehow magically "know" ........................................ without evidence.

You wanna talk "historical study," go learn some Historiography and Philosophy of History and then come back.

AV1611VET said:
When a harlot knows more about God than a Harvard -- that's sad.

There you go again with one of your one off attempts at MAD humor.

AV1611VET · 2026-06-15T12:00:49-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
The fact is, neither of us knows how many of the individual Celts learned any tidbits whatsoever about Hebrew theology.

Then what's this?

And before you respond with college knowledge:

From AI Overview:

Yes, the Celts are in the Book of Acts, but they are referred to by their ancient name: the Galatians.

These Galatians were an ancient Celtic tribe that migrated from Gaul (modern-day France) into central Turkey (Anatolia) in the 3rd century B.C.

Their connection to the New Testament is highlighted in a few key ways:

Paul and Barnabas's Ministry:

In Acts 13 and 14, Paul and Barnabas travel through the region of Galatia, preaching in cities like Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe. Many of the residents who responded to their message and joined the early church were these ethnic Celtic people.

The "Galatians" Letter:

The Celtic people Paul evangelized in Acts are the very same group he wrote his famous letter to, the Epistle to the Galatians.

Revisiting the Region:

In Acts 16:6 and Acts 18:23, Luke records that Paul returned to Galatia during his second and third missionary journeys to strengthen the churches he had previously established.

2PhiloVoid · 2026-06-15T12:05:01-0500

AV1611VET said:
Then what's this?

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And before you respond with college knowledge:

From AI Overview:

Yes, the Celts are in the Book of Acts, but they are referred to by their ancient name: the Galatians.

These Galatians were an ancient Celtic tribe that migrated from Gaul (modern-day France) into central Turkey (Anatolia) in the 3rd century B.C.

Their connection to the New Testament is highlighted in a few key ways:

Paul and Barnabas's Ministry:

In Acts 13 and 14, Paul and Barnabas travel through the region of Galatia, preaching in cities like Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, and Derbe. Many of the residents who responded to their message and joined the early church were these ethnic Celtic people.

The "Galatians" Letter:

The Celtic people Paul evangelized in Acts are the very same group he wrote his famous letter to, the Epistle to the Galatians.

Revisiting the Region:

In Acts 16:6 and Acts 18:23, Luke records that Paul returned to Galatia during his second and third missionary journeys to strengthen the churches he had previously established.

And this has to do with Stonehenge or Anglo-Israelism.................................... how ?????????????????????????????? :dontcare:

Stopped_lurking · 2026-06-15T12:05:44-0500

I'm out of the loop, why are we discussing Stonehenge and celts? I thought Stonehenge predated the celts arrival to the british isles a good 1000 years or so.

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