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I'd never heard of Ruckman until you posted a link to his wikipedia bio. It doesn't explain the wierdest of biblical claims we hear here.

I thought you turned your back on Biblical claims?

Why is one thing "weird" and not another?

You want "weird"?

Jesus walked on water; Jesus rose from the dead; Jesus was born of a virgin.

How do you differentiate "weird" from "weirdest"?
 
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For one thing, I like his style.
Yes, and after all of this time, I can clearly see that affinity you have.
Plus he is KJVO.
If you want to use the KJV 1611, that's fine by me, but don't lip thrash me if I use other versions.
Who do you prioritize?
I don't prioritize pastors or scholars, let alone find complete agreement with entire works (books, videos, articles) of anyone. I apply critical thinking as I survey and compare and contrast a wide plethora of positions, and then I amalgamate points that I think are true or have veracity.

But I do have authors who have been 'more influential' in my overall Christian thinking.
And are you referring to this remark?

I think that's what I mentioned.
 
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yes, but that simply means that light does not randomly change from day to day - if the one-way speed of light was different from the two way speed of light - light would still be considered a constant.
If that were true, I'd think that would change what light is. And that's not possible. Unless perhaps God is messing with us?
 
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And there's more to disproving the claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago than just the speed of light. Like... all of the historical finds that easily date from before 6000 years ago.
The whole thing is just a cope dreamed up by some DI conartist using a "loophole" in SR to solve exactly 1 claim against a 6000-year-old Universe, that light from distant objects "en route" by permitting an infinite light-travel-speed (and zero travel time) toward us. Unfortunately (for them) it doesn't eliminate the "falsely made to look old" claims since we still have a redshift-age-distance relation, where here age becomes "how old it appears to be". Instead of having the divine deception be light with a history that didn't happen, it becomes objects that appear to be less evolved states of the Universe being further away (and redshifted) to again deceive those astronomers to think the Universe is expanding and structure and forms are changing.
 
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I don't prioritize pastors or scholars, let alone find complete agreement with entire works (books, videos, articles) of anyone. I apply critical thinking as I survey and compare and contrast a wide plethora of positions, and then I amalgamate points that I think are true or have veracity.

So you prioritize yourself then?

And if, as you say, you apply critical thinking, comparison, and amalgamation to your repertoire of decision making, why didn't your luminaries do that as well?

Wouldn't that make you all come to the same conclusions?

I mean, if they didn't amalgamate, why do you?
 
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The whole thing is just a cope dreamed up by some DI conartist using a "loophole" in SR to solve exactly 1 claim against a 6000-year-old Universe, that light from distant objects "en route" by permitting an infinite light-travel-speed (and zero travel time) toward us. Unfortunately (for them) it doesn't eliminate the "falsely made to look old" claims since we still have a redshift-age-distance relation, where here age becomes "how old it appears to be". Instead of having the divine deception be light with a history that didn't happen, it becomes objects that appear to be less evolved states of the Universe being further away (and redshifted) to again deceive those astronomers to think the Universe is expanding and structure and forms are changing.

And then, of course, there's wormholes.

Which, for some reason, hasn't been addressed in this thread.
 
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And there's more to disproving the claim that the Earth was created 6000 years ago than just the speed of light. Like... all of the historical finds that easily date from before 6000 years ago.
Or the story the Earth itself tell us.
 
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The one-way speed of light COULD be different, yes, but Einstein's synchronization convention posits that it could just as easily be the same speed as the two-way speed of light.
Isn't light both a wave and a particle which covers a wide spectrum? I'd think that the basic physics of light would have to change for there to be a change in speed. Radio waves, Microwaves, Infrared Light, Ultraviolet Light, X-Rays, Gama Rays, they are all light.
 
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Or the story the Earth itself tell us.

I know you said the Earth, but I'd like to ask:

Does Gemini speak to you as twins (Castor & Pollux)?

Or does Gemini speak to you as the same person (King of kings & Lord of lords)?
 
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I'd think that the basic physics of light would have to change for there to be a change in speed.

I don't think so.

Its wavelength is what determines its place on the electromagnetic spectrum; not its speed.

(Someone correct me here if I'm wrong please.)
 
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So you prioritize yourself then?
That's a polemical, loaded question and it carries within it an ambiguous referent to things I didn't assert or believe. However, the answer to it is "no, I do not prioritize myself." Prioritizing any one person isn't something any of us HAS to do. So, I don't.
And if, as you say, you apply critical thinking, comparison, and amalgamation to your repertoire of decision making, why didn't your luminaries do that as well?
Now, you're being obnoxious. You don't know who my "LUMINARIES" are, so it would be more copacetic with the idea of Virtue Epistemology for you to refrain from using polemical speech-acts.
Wouldn't that make you all come to the same conclusions?
Think a little harder about why it doesn't follow that they would all "come to the same conclusion" and, then, think harder about why I don't completely and utterly absorb myself with any particular individual's set of assertions.

Of course they wouldn't all come to the same conclusions.
I mean, if they didn't amalgamate, why do you?

There you go again. I haven't named any of them yet., so how do you know which of them applies critical thinking or amalgamates and which ones don't?

I amalgamate as a reflection of my the only manufactured, personal epistemic axiom that I maintain in my own thinking.

You need stop with your bully tactics. I don't do that to you. Why you think you must do it to others I can only ponder. What you do with questions doesn't even come close to Socratic Method; but it is a Ruckman method.
 
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This one definitely:

"According to Ruckman, in the Old Testament, salvation was obtained through a combination of faith and works,"

What page is that on?
 
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I know you said the Earth, but I'd like to ask:

Does Gemini speak to you as twins (Castor & Pollux)?

Or does Gemini speak to you as the same person (King of kings & Lord of lords)?

Do you know what poetic language is?

Why am I even asking? It's literal or nothing with you...
 
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You don't know who my "LUMINARIES" are,

Didn't you say this?

As I've said for so many years here on CF, I draw my own understanding of the Christian faith from not only the overall 2,000 year swath of diverse thinkers from within the Trinitarian faith, but I'm also heavily indebted to the secular establishment in its many critical scholars and philosophers.
 
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Didn't you say this?

Yes, I said that. From what I can tell, I didn't list any particular names............................ so you have no referents and no justification for guessing about what those are.

Since you seem to be an overly suspicious person, I'll just throw you a bone or two, that way you have a taste of a couple of the various influences I have amalgamated in to my overall view of life, world and faith.

Three of the first books I bought as a teenager during the first several months when I began to seriously engage Christianity were:

Josh McDowell - Handbook of Today's Religions
C.S. Lewis - The Screwtape Letters
Jerry Bridges - The Pursuit of Holiness
Of course, I've learned a lot since I first read these books back in 1986.
 
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That's what I thought. Not only did you not quote it actually from one of Ruckman's books (which was what I was asking you to cite), you misunderstood my earlier question and gave me an answer that doesn't reflect the overall context of the source from which you took your quote.

Kind of like you did with a quote from me from another post I made back in 2024.

Maybe refrain from doing that? It's kind of manipulative on your part.
 
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