High IQ Christians

timf · Apr 18, 2026

I still use the word Aspergers because I do not think it was helpful to lump it in with autism. Classical autism referred to brain malformation or damage whose impairment usually resulted in a short life. Calling Aspergers autism implies a degree of defect that has not been born out with evidence.

I see Aspergers as a natural neurological variant with a neurology that is faster, more complex, or more sensitive that results with an abundance of sensory and cognitive processing. the burden of processing an abnormal amount of information can make children in particular less able to engage social with automatic and reflexive ease.

Han Asperger observed four boys he assumed were autistic because of their reluctance to engage in typical social play. This almost had them exterminated because social integration was of paramount importance to the Nazis. That they grew to have normal and even successful lives would indicate it unlikely that these suffered the same "defects" as those with real autism.

The modern mechanical monolithic industrial processing of children in the educational industrial complex assumes all children are the same. It is simply assumed that any difficulty in being process indicates a defect in the child. Since God designed families and Satan designed collectives, we might consider that the collective approach to raising children to be flawed.

St. Helens · Apr 19, 2026

The risk of having too many brains is how it affects you when you are grieving too. Right now I am in a pretty dark place because I have a son that has chosen not to follow Christ but instead to live in a self destructive way.

I have chosen writing as a catharsis to process this grief.

timf · Apr 20, 2026

We had a daughter who ran off with a guy she had secretly met on Facebook. One contributor to the pain a parent feels is the endless asking oneself what could have been done differently. In the end one concludes that while a specific incident might have been prevented, the child was going to go their own way regardless of what a parent could do.

We live in perilous times. Children get little input from parents and are often raised by peers, TV, and school. I turned from the religion I was raised in 60 years ago. I didn't even read the bible until I was 30 (45 years ago).

However, God can recover anyone. A youthful life of self-indulgence seldom provides lasting satisfaction. If your son has gone through college, he may have a more difficult time finding his way back. A high IQ can make the pain sharper and the self-recrimination longer lasting. However, it can also be useful in considering options. For example if your son has not rejected any contact with you, you are still in a position where you can supply information and ask questions. Do not under-appreciate the value of your prayers.

The example of the Prodigal Son can be helpful. What we see is a youth driven by desire and an inaccurate understanding of life. When the harshness of reality (truth) intrudes, he is able to perceive that which he did not previously appreciate.

Buddhists recognize the difficulties desires can cause. However, Christians have the opportunity to actually master them by transitioning from the flesh to the Spirit. If your son trusted in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to pay for his sins when he was young, he may still be a Christian, just one walking in the flesh. Sometimes such a walk can give one a much deeper appreciation for faith than they otherwise could have discovered.

Bob Crowley · Apr 20, 2026

I suspect that having a neurology that manifests as high IQ also is found with the variant that produces Aspergers or what is now called high functioning Autism Spectrum Disorder.

As an aside, I used to be in a Toastmaster's Club (public speaking etc). We had a young lady join who had some form of Autism.

Amongst other things she never forgot a date. Her mother relied on her to tell her when she had bought things for example to find out if they were still under warranty. If someone quoted a random text from a Harry Potter book she could just pick up the quote and continue with it, without having made any particular effort to memorise it.

Andrew Denton is or was an Australian TV interviewer. I'm not sure if he is still active as an interviewer as I haven't seen him for some time, but he hosted the young lady in question a few years ago. She was then a member of the Toastmasters Club I was in.

Interview: June 12 | TV Tonight

Andrew Denton may have his most interesting Interview so far.

tvtonight.com.au

She also appeared on "60 Minutes" which is a local topical show.

Bob Crowley · Apr 20, 2026

I suspect that having a neurology that manifests as high IQ also is found with the variant that produces Aspergers or what is now called high functioning Autism Spectrum Disorder.

As an aside, I used to be in a Toastmaster's Club (public speaking etc). We had a young lady join who had some form of Austism.

Amongst other things she never forgot a date. Her mother relied on her to tell her when she had bought things for example to find out if they were still under warranty. If someone quoted a random text from a Harry Potter book she could just pick up the quote and continue with it, without having made any particular effort to memorise it.

Andrew Denton is or was an Australian TV interviewer. I'm not sure if he is still active as an interviewer as I haven't seen him for some time, but he hosted the young lady in question a few years ago. She was then a member of the Toastmasters Club I was in.

Interview: June 12 | TV Tonight

Andrew Denton may have his most interesting Interview so far.

tvtonight.com.au

She also appeared on "60 Minutes" which is a local topical show.

The Liturgist · Apr 20, 2026

St. Helens said:
The risk of having too many brains is how it affects you when you are grieving too. Right now I am in a pretty dark place because I have a son that has chosen not to follow Christ but instead to live in a self destructive way.

I have chosen writing as a catharsis to process this grief.

I would be happy to pray for him.

The Liturgist · Apr 20, 2026

Bob Crowley said:
As an aside, I used to be in a Toastmaster's Club (public speaking etc). We had a young lady join who had some form of Autism.

I myself have always been comfortable with public speaking so I fear if I were to join a Toastmaster’s Club it would not be good for my humility.

St. Helens · Apr 20, 2026

timf said:
We had a daughter who ran off with a guy she had secretly met on Facebook. One contributor to the pain a parent feels is the endless asking oneself what could have been done differently. In the end one concludes that while a specific incident might have been prevented, the child was going to go their own way regardless of what a parent could do.

We live in perilous times. Children get little input from parents and are often raised by peers, TV, and school. I turned from the religion I was raised in 60 years ago. I didn't even read the bible until I was 30 (45 years ago).

However, God can recover anyone. A youthful life of self-indulgence seldom provides lasting satisfaction. If your son has gone through college, he may have a more difficult time finding his way back. A high IQ can make the pain sharper and the self-recrimination longer lasting. However, it can also be useful in considering options. For example if your son has not rejected any contact with you, you are still in a position where you can supply information and ask questions. Do not under-appreciate the value of your prayers.

The example of the Prodigal Son can be helpful. What we see is a youth driven by desire and an inaccurate understanding of life. When the harshness of reality (truth) intrudes, he is able to perceive that which he did not previously appreciate.

Buddhists recognize the difficulties desires can cause. However, Christians have the opportunity to actually master them by transitioning from the flesh to the Spirit. If your son trusted in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to pay for his sins when he was young, he may still be a Christian, just one walking in the flesh. Sometimes such a walk can give one a much deeper appreciation for faith than they otherwise could have discovered.

He's cut off all communication. He never made any serious commitment to my knowledge, despite attending Church. My husband and I did our best to raise him properly. He got pulled into something after he left home.

2PhiloVoid · Apr 20, 2026

My son, too, has turned off from the Christian faith. Fortunately though for me, he's still a very intelligent and responsible young man, and I pray that the Lord opens his mind to the truth of faith sometime in the near future.

timf · Apr 20, 2026

Sometimes children develop an oppositional reflex so that whatever you say, it pushes them in the opposite direction. If there is another family member who he is in contact with, you might ask them to pass along a message that whenever he wants you are there for him.

I was saved when I was small (about five years old) however, from age 15-30 no one would be able to observe me and see anything Christian. I called myself "agnostic" which I defined as insufficient information. Thankfully I was not intellectually bullied to buy into the secular evolutionary thesis so prevalent in college.

My slow return to faith was in part coming to understand the much of Christian practice and tradition was of men and that if one sifted through the human contributions, one could find that which was of value.

timf · Apr 20, 2026

Sometimes someone appears to reject their faith when they are dissatisfied with a particular form of Christianity. I put up a web site for those who have had bad church experiences (and even those unfamiliar with Christianity). Some of the items I would change now, but in general it offers a way for people who are still interested in Christ to take a look at information without feeling backed into a corner.

Christian Pioneer

Christian Pioneer - Answers to questions about Christianity

christianpioneer.com

Bob Crowley · Apr 21, 2026

The Liturgist said:
I myself have always been comfortable with public speaking so I fear if I were to join a Toastmaster’s Club it would not be good for my humility.

Toastmasters is as much about building people up as it is about public speaking. It's just that they use public speaking as the means to develop members confidence.

I've seen some quite ordinary speakers become brilliant at their craft. I haven't been involved for a few years now though.

On the other hand I found that Toastmasters generally don't make good debaters. They're so used to building each other up and being encouraging that when it comes to intellectually cutting down their debating opponent they struggle to get into that frame of mind.

I'm not all that impressed by "debating" these days, partly because our parliamentarians do such a pathetic job most of the time.

I asked a former state politician once what he thought of the standard of debate in state parliament. He replied it was abysmal, but added the media had a lot to answer for.

The Liturgist · Apr 21, 2026

Bob Crowley said:
Toastmasters is as much about building people up as it is about public speaking. It's just that they use public speaking as the means to develop members confidence.

I've seen some quite ordinary speakers become brilliant at their craft. I haven't been involved for a few years now though.

On the other hand I found that Toastmasters generally don't make good debaters. They're so used to building each other up and being encouraging that when it comes to intellectually cutting down their debating opponent they struggle to get into that frame of mind.

I'm not all that impressed by "debating" these days, partly because our parliamentarians do such a pathetic job most of the time.

I asked a former state politician once what he thought of the standard of debate in state parliament. He replied it was abysmal, but added the media had a lot to answer for.

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Well I myself prefer to avoid debates where we’re cutting the opposition down, I find them distasteful; the only reason I engage with some polemicists on CF.com is because their writing if left unchallenged could pose a stumbling block for some, particularly in terms of those who have, shall we say, an extreme opposition to traditional liturgical Christianity and a desire to reduce everything to a Catholic vs. ultra low church Protestant (technically Restorationist, most of the time) false dichotomy which negates the history and agency of my denomination and the Oriental Orthodox and the Church of the East as well as the Lutherans, Anglicans, Moravians and other traditional Protestants and the Old Catholics.

timf · Apr 21, 2026

Debate can be interesting in those rare instances where the merits of ideas are put forth clearly and analytically. Unfortunately most times the passion to "score points: usually leads people to the theatrics of the Sophists and ultimately the posturing of trial attorneys.

timf · Jun 10, 2026

Just wondering recently the extent to which high IQ young people aggregate in college and are subsequently more severely targeted to receive anti-Christian propaganda..

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