RFK Jr’s ‘Maha’ report found to contain citations to nonexistent studies

durangodawood · Aug 21, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
When you consider the data mentioned, blanket preemptive dismissal would make actually make some sense.

Once the seed has been planted, you can't put the genie back into the bottle so to speak. (Hence the reason why people who go to those practitioners are 25-25% less likely to get vaccinated)

It's the same reason why in almost every case, if a person believes in one conspiracy, they'll end up getting on board with several others.

Once that "don't trust the mainstream medical institutions" mentality is established, that doesn't seem to be an easy switch for people to turn back off.

You might be right and that even highly limited but reasonable applications of "alternative" medicine should be shunned because the ignorant or stupid will run with it and go whole hog.

But.... thats not the world I prefer, where certain limited but true things need to be suppressed because some people dont know when to stop, even when they are told. It might be the world we need as you note. But Im the selectively eternal optimist I guess.

However, none of this is not comparable to having the person at the head of national public health agencies simply contradicting the science that supports core prevention and possibly treatment methods.

FireDragon76 · Aug 21, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
When you consider the data mentioned, blanket preemptive dismissal would make actually make some sense.

Once the seed has been planted, you can't put the genie back into the bottle so to speak. (Hence the reason why people who go to those practitioners are 25-25% less likely to get vaccinated)

It's the same reason why in almost every case, if a person believes in one conspiracy, they'll end up getting on board with several others.

Once that "don't trust the mainstream medical institutions" mentality is established, that doesn't seem to be an easy switch for people to turn back off.

You're suggesting one causes the other, instead of merely correlated. People that reject vaccines, and people that go to alternative medical practitioners are outside the consensus, but that doesn't mean that using alternative medicine causes people to avoid vaccines.

ThatRobGuy · Aug 21, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
You're suggesting one causes the other, instead of merely correlated. People that reject vaccines, and people that go to alternative medical practitioners are outside the consensus, but that doesn't mean that using alternative medicine causes people to avoid vaccines.

I think the data I provided earlier suggests more that just a casual correlation.

That's enhanced by the fact that (if you're familiar with what they're taught in those schools), it's not surprising.

They have done studies and surveys among that industry and found some rather concerning results

Per NIH/PubMed

Within the Chiropractic profession, only 35.7% of them would accept to be immunized in the future. Furthermore, only 56% of respondents had immunized their children and only 21% would refer patients for possible immunization. Russell et al40 reported that only 41% of chiropractors felt immunizations were safe in general, that 60% felt immunization should never be given to children under the age of 1, that 30% felt they should never be provided to the elderly and 37% of them advised their patients “against having themselves/their children immunized”. Finally, a recent study by Downey et al41 reported that children were significantly less likely to receive all four recommended vaccinations if they saw a naturopathic doctor and significantly less likely to receive three of the four recommended vaccinations if they saw a chiropractor.

essentialsaltes · Thursday at 2:52 PM

essentialsaltes said:
RFK Jr. Did Raw-Milk Shooters in the White House
[RFK Jr.] recorded an interview with wellness influencer Paul Saladino, which culminated in the two doing raw-milk shooters in the White House.

Nearly 60 Idahoans sick after drinking raw milk in past two weeks, officials say

Idaho health officials are investigating how nearly 60 people got sick after drinking raw milk in the past two weeks.

Investigating? I have a pretty good idea how they got sick.

durangodawood · Thursday at 3:07 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Nearly 60 Idahoans sick after drinking raw milk in past two weeks, officials say
Idaho health officials are investigating how nearly 60 people got sick after drinking raw milk in the past two weeks.

Investigating? I have a pretty good idea how they got sick.

From their vaccinations, obviously.

Hans Blaster · Thursday at 9:06 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Nearly 60 Idahoans sick after drinking raw milk in past two weeks, officials say
Idaho health officials are investigating how nearly 60 people got sick after drinking raw milk in the past two weeks.

Investigating? I have a pretty good idea how they got sick.

Insufficient pasteurization of their milk?

RocksInMyHead · Thursday at 9:11 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Insufficient pasteurization of their milk?

Couldn't possibly. I've been reliably informed that pasteurization is unnecessary.

Hans Blaster · Thursday at 9:47 PM

RocksInMyHead said:
Couldn't possibly. I've been reliably informed that pasteurization is unnecessary.

Never been in a milking barn then?

FreeinChrist · Thursday at 9:51 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Nearly 60 Idahoans sick after drinking raw milk in past two weeks, officials say
Idaho health officials are investigating how nearly 60 people got sick after drinking raw milk in the past two weeks.

Investigating? I have a pretty good idea how they got sick.

Raw milk can contain E. Coli, or Salmonella, or Listeria or Campylobacter. Unless one is very sure of the source and that a high standard of cleanliness is maintained, there is a risk of infection.

I don't drink milk. I like some cheese, yogurt and ice cream and use cow's milk when the recipe calls for it. Cow's milk is designed to put about 500 pounds on a calf in one year. Don't need that.

Bradskii · Thursday at 11:14 PM

Hans Blaster said:
Insufficient pasteurization of their milk?

That's actually zero pasteurisation of their milk. But maybe it wasn't the milk. Perhaps there's a wind farm near them.

Hans Blaster · Thursday at 11:15 PM

Bradskii said:
That's actually zero pasteurisation of their milk.

zero would be insufficient.

Bradskii said:
But maybe it wasn't the milk. Perhaps there's a wind farm near them.

That causes cancer, don't ya know.

Bradskii · Thursday at 11:57 PM

Hans Blaster said:
That causes cancer, don't ya know.

I think someone said that they are slowly killing Wales as well: The slow death of Wales | David James | The Critic Magazine

A2SG · 2026-06-05T00:24:00-0500

Bradskii said:
I think someone said that they are slowly killing Wales as well: The slow death of Wales | David James | The Critic Magazine

Oh no! I hope someone comes from the future to rescue George and Gracie.

-- A2SG, may have done a little too much LDS back in the sixties....

A New Dawn · 2026-06-05T00:37:54-0500

The IbanezerScrooge said:
RFK Jr’s ‘Maha’ report found to contain citations to nonexistent studies

Failures uncovered as US health secretary touted ‘gold-standard’ science in health report ordered by Trump team

www.theguardian.com

Another source:

US government report cited non-existent sources, academics say

Authors of several studies cited in the report told news outlets they did not write them and the studies did not exist.

www.bbc.com

They are literally making stuff up to justify their policies.

Not so different from the “follow the science” crowd that told people that you can’t define what a woman is (when you can) and that boys could become girls and vice versa (when they can’t).

A2SG · 2026-06-05T00:51:18-0500

A New Dawn said:
Not so different from the “follow the science” crowd that told people that you can’t define what a woman is (when you can) and that boys could become girls and vice versa (when they can’t).

Quite different, actually, since the scientific consensus on sex and gender is that they're not the same thing, and that neither is as simple or as binary as has been previously believed.

Many, many studies exist on this, unlike those cited by the MAHA report. Here's one:

Differentiating sex and gender in health research to achieve gender equity - PMC

Effectively tracking progress on initiatives focused on gender equity requires clear differentiation between the terms sex and gender. Sex usually refers to a person’s biological characteristics, whereas gender refers to socially constructed roles ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

-- A2SG, and you don't have to look far to find more.....

DaisyDay · 2026-06-05T08:19:25-0500

A New Dawn said:
Not so different from the “follow the science” crowd that told people that you can’t define what a woman is (when you can) and that boys could become girls and vice versa (when they can’t).

Who said you "can't define what a woman is" when, contrariwise, there are a plethora of definitions to choose from depending on context? More confusingly, sometimes women are included in "all men" and sometimes they are excluded.

Hans Blaster · 2026-06-05T09:47:41-0500

A New Dawn said:
Not so different from the “follow the science” crowd that told people that you can’t define what a woman is (when you can) and that boys could become girls and vice versa (when they can’t).

The "MAHA" report (see OP) isn't about gender identity. The raw milk claims aren't about gender identity. The processed food claims aren't about gender identity. Vaccine claims aren't about gender identity. None of our conversation is about gender identity and the board is generally scared of discussion of gender identity, so KNOCK IT OFF and stick to the topic.

NxNW · 2026-06-05T14:03:17-0500

A New Dawn said:
Not so different from the “follow the science” crowd that told people that you can’t define what a woman is

Who is specifically is this crowd, and when did they said this?

A New Dawn · 2026-06-05T16:02:21-0500

A2SG said:
Quite different, actually, since the scientific consensus on sex and gender is that they're not the same thing, and that neither is as simple or as binary as has been previously believed.

Many, many studies exist on this, unlike those cited by the MAHA report. Here's one:

Differentiating sex and gender in health research to achieve gender equity - PMC

Effectively tracking progress on initiatives focused on gender equity requires clear differentiation between the terms sex and gender. Sex usually refers to a person’s biological characteristics, whereas gender refers to socially constructed roles ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

-- A2SG, and you don't have to look far to find more.....

You have misspoken. If gender is all that was at issue, there would have been no need for sex change operations. But yet sex change operations was promised as the cure for transgenderism. That’s because gender is considered linked to the sex your body presents. Sorry to burst your bubble.

A New Dawn · 2026-06-05T16:36:58-0500

NxNW said:
Who is specifically is this crowd, and when did they said this?

Everyone, it seems, in the Biden administration. All of the sudden everyone’s intelligence evaporated, from cabinet members to judges to college professors and people that should have known better (like doctors and psychiatrists/psychologists). And they said it every second of the last administration. Sorry you missed it. It was really amusing to see people bend over backwards to deny what they knew to be true.

It also happened with COVID.

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