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Trans athlete dominates California girls’ track meet as protesters demand: ‘Keep men out of women’s sports’

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It's been over 15 years since there has been a Republican governor of California. I was surprised to see a balanced article on the issue. This topic illustrates where the future of the Democratic Party is going and I hope an informed public makes correct decisions.
 
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i think it would be common sense by now that males and females are (biologically) different, but I guess not. (Not debating the trans issue)
 
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FYI....most trans atheletes do not win the way you are describing here.
Maybe they only take second or third place on the average. For fair competition they should compete against each other, not against women.
 
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FYI....most trans atheletes do not win the way you are describing here.
Regardless, fair is fair.

I don't know the real "solution" to be honest.
 
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No, they don't. Results vary widely by sport.
Well Riley Gaines didn't get a trophy even though she tied with a trans individual. So too it is a problem with trans athletes in girls locker rooms. Why should girls and young women be subjected to that?
 
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Well Riley Gaines didn't get a trophy for first even though she tied with a trans individual. So too it is a problem with trans athletes in girls locker rooms. Why should girls and young women be subjected to that?
I admire her. I think she's great. And no girl should be forced to be in a locker room with a male. BUT this subject has been beaten to a dead horse. Neither side will ever come to agree or come to a compromise, sadly.
 
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Well Riley Gaines didn't get a trophy for first even though she tied with a trans individual.
She didn't get a trophy for coming in 5th...which is what she tied her trans opponent in (wow.....basic facts are wrong?)

That is very common on sports competition.

And, of course, she was beat by 4 other very cis gendered ladies.

But it IS important to gripe about the person she tied with.
 
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No, they don't. Results vary widely by sport.
Makes sense. When I was in Cross Country in High School, most girls could have probably outrun me. People are different.

shrug

(I'm a male and graduated in 2014 fwiw)
 
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She didn't get a trophy for coming in 5th...which is what she tied her trans opponent in (wow.....basic facts are wrong?)

That is very common on sports competition.

And, of course, she was beat by 4 other very cis gendered ladies.

But it IS important to gripe about the person she tied with.
My mistake, fifth. I don't think it was fair or is fair. And putting biological male athletes in a locker room with girls is morally wrong.
 
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The New York/California post engages in culture war political advocacy, not serious journalism.

Trans athletes are rare across the country. There's no strong evidence that trans women in general perform better in sports or present an unfair advantage: Sex differences and athletic performance. Where do trans individuals fit into sports and athletics based on current research? - PMC

Targeting a poorly understood minority group because of their perceived difference or non-conformity is profoundly ugly and morally problematic behavior. Concerns about fairness can be valid, but the actual evidence doesn't support a narrative of transpeople gaming a system for undue advantage. In the end, transpeople are people, and deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
 
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Regardless, fair is fair.

I don't know the real "solution" to be honest.
Simple. If we must persist in this, set a category called Trans and have trans athletes compete against each other.
 
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Simple. If we must persist in this, set a category called Trans and have trans athletes compete against each other.
That’s fair.
 
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Concerns about fairness can be valid, but the actual evidence doesn't support a narrative of transpeople gaming a system for undue advantage.
Actually the evidence does. There are a number of men who do poorly in competition between men and so they go to women's sports. You don't see any top male athletes who do well in men's sports trying to compete in women's sports.
 
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No, they don't. Results vary widely by sport.

That's interesting you say that. I wonder if it works the same the other way around, with Trans-men running against men?

Somehow, I doubt Trans-men are winning those races, or even placing, all that often. But, it'd be great to be shown I'm wrong.
 
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That's interesting you say that. I wonder if it works the same the other way around, with Trans-men running against men?

Somehow, I doubt Trans-men are winning those races, or even placing, all that often. But, it'd be great to be shown I'm wrong.
I don't know. Couldn't tell you.

I can say that the most recent ultramarathon race was won by a woman by almost 2hours.

You'd be welcome to present some of your curiousity informed research if you desire.
 
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Actually the evidence does. There are a number of men who do poorly in competition between men and so they go to women's sports. You don't see any top male athletes who do well in men's sports trying to compete in women's sports.

Why peddle this nonnsense? There's been no documented cases of men transitioning their gender just to compete in women's sports in the US.

Well Riley Gaines didn't get a trophy for first even though she tied with a trans individual. So too it is a problem with trans athletes in girls locker rooms. Why should girls and young women be subjected to that?

Time to stop beating that dead horse: Riley Gains was beat by 2 other women besides Thomas.
 
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Why peddle this nonnsense? There's been no documented cases of men transitioning their gender just to compete in women's sports in the US.
It's not nonsense, it's quite obvious. Many women worked very hard, from Billy Jean King on to promote women in sports. A lot of people worked hard for women to gain equity, having universities quit giving the vast bulk of money to men's sports. Now a leading portion of the Democratic Party thinks transgenders should be in women's sports. In my opinion this has two major negative effects. A lot of the gains for women will be destroyed and girls will be in the locker rooms with men. Perhaps all of the political leaders who promote this stuff haven't thought it out, the American people need to let them know.
 
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