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proof that neutrinos are the key to uniting quantum theory with gravity theory; spacetime is warped by neutrinos

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This is true but also I doubt we really have the means to measure "absolute intelligence". Timed IQ tests don't measure it at all but is more of a mental performance test, not absolute intelligence because if given enough time, it's not hard to supply all the correct answers and achieve a perfect score. It's merely testing how fast you can think solving moderately complex problems. Not if you're actually capable of finding solutions or answers to very complex theories or hypothesis even if given unlimited time and resources. Many agencies think they can come up with something if you put billions of dollars and highest IQ people together. But only end up wasting all that money.

Psychological evaluation gets closer but what if the specialist is less intelligent than the subject being tested? AI tend to practice a lot of restraint in this space to avoid offense. However, AI's absolute intelligence is only average.

You really can't trust IQ tests beyond the genius level. IMO, beyond it is just marketing. To sell a theory, creative work, and even religion.
The one thing that IQ tests are really good at is measuring how well people do when taking IQ tests. Since I am somewhat competitive and score well on such tests, I rather like them. And yet I am routinely outsmarted by people with lower IQ's, either because they work harder, or get lucky, or figure out a way to blackmail me. (Some of them are so unprincipled they use the instructions to assemble Ikea furniture.):)
 
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what reasons are you calling him a nut?

take 9/11, did you know there was already a strategy of the pentagon to attack buildings with plains and blame it on a country like cuba?

why wouldn't they do it, if it is part of their offical strategy?

Because he said they did it to stop people finding out about his own made up theory. That's a nut to me.
 
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Humbly, I submit there is substantial "nonsense" to be found at CF. Pride has a way of showcasing itself.
That's one aspect, another is wilful ignorance through cognitive dissonance in ignoring the science which usually happens when faith based arguments, whether they be religious or ideological are perceived to be under attack.
 
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Christopher Michael Langan has the highest recorded IQ in the world. and btw me an google AI proved the most fundamental aspect of his theory;
Funny in another thread the world's 'smartest man' is YoungHoon Kim with an IQ of 276 declared Jesus Christ is God.
The declaration is fine by me but an IQ of 276???
To coin another poster if this is accurate "then I'm Genghis Khan"; any IQ over 160 is statistically unreliable as small sample sizes lead to increase noise.

This is beside the point I'm still waiting on your refutation of GR and SR in explaining time dilation using GPS as an example, why neutrino detectors do not work as they do not factor in the change in refractive index of water due to the neutrino contribution, and most importantly you haven't explained why your theory is a quantum theory of gravity which can be renormalized which on the subject of IQ the greatest minds have worked on for decades without success.
 
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That's one aspect, another is wilful ignorance through cognitive dissonance in ignoring the science which usually happens when faith based arguments, whether they be religious or ideological are perceived to be under attack.
Personally, my interest in science has weaned over the decades. Honestly, I don't have faith based arguments towards science or any other intellectual pursuits.I, try as a Christian, to demonstrate Christ like behavior (for me) which doesn't include arguments and/or debates. Solomon in the proverbs had much to say about the use of words and the company we're speaking to. Each day, I ask God to instill within me supernatural hunger, thirst and zeal for the things of Him (prayer, God's Word and praise & worship) Also, I never feel under attack from human beings. God tells me in His Word: "We battle not against flesh and blood" I'm thankful that I'm a son of the Most High God - Kingdom kid, soon to be sixty-nine years young through the power of the Holy Spirit.

sjastro, May God, Mightily bless you and your loved ones, In Jesus's Name!
 
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Premise 1; "language is isomorphic to reality"
Hard fail on the first premise.

We can have multiple words for the same thing (ncluding words borrowed from other languages), and a lack of a decent word to describe something well. Languages can have many dialects. There are fuzzy boundaries around any language. You can't make a decent mapping from language to reality, let alone an isometric one.

Consequently, the rest is not worth bothering with.
 
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Funny in another thread the world's 'smartest man' is YoungHoon Kim with an IQ of 276 declared Jesus Christ is God.
The declaration is fine by me but an IQ of 276???
To coin another poster if this is accurate "then I'm Genghis Khan"; any IQ over 160 is statistically unreliable as small sample sizes lead to increase noise.

This is beside the point I'm still waiting on your refutation of GR and SR in explaining time dilation using GPS as an example, why neutrino detectors do not work as they do not factor in the change in refractive index of water due to the neutrino contribution, and most importantly you haven't explained why your theory is a quantum theory of gravity which can be renormalized which on the subject of IQ the greatest minds have worked on for decades without success.

The link from that thread is giving 404 error. Fortunately, I found a more impartial article.


The basis of his religious beliefs is not different than that of average IQ persons and there's conflicts of interest.

While not many see the relationship between quantum physics and afterlife and the soul, you can easily convince billions of people the relationship between afterlife and Jesus.

However, the relationship of the afterlife to quantum physics does not uniquely qualify Jesus' involvement in it unless Christianity is the ONLY religion you have ever known or studied. Studying other religions is something that many Christians would never want to do and if they do, often make the wrong conclusions due to strong biases. Yet Jesus Himself did not limit His disciples to just the study of Jewish scriptures but in all things.
 
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Personally, my interest in science has weaned over the decades. Honestly, I don't have faith based arguments towards science or any other intellectual pursuits.I, try as a Christian, to demonstrate Christ like behavior (for me) which doesn't include arguments and/or debates. Solomon in the proverbs had much to say about the use of words and the company we're speaking to. Each day, I ask God to instill within me supernatural hunger, thirst and zeal for the things of Him (prayer, God's Word and praise & worship) Also, I never feel under attack from human beings. God tells me in His Word: "We battle not against flesh and blood" I'm thankful that I'm a son of the Most High God - Kingdom kid, soon to be sixty-nine years young through the power of the Holy Spirit.

sjastro, May God, Mightily bless you and your loved ones, In Jesus's Name!

Science is not always right but has the toolkit in proper scrutiny of information.

If you prefer not to use the word "science", it is called sound reasoning and critical thinking.

The biggest obstacle to the truth is the belief that you have found it.

If you ever tried "winning" people of other religions into Christianity, you'd know what I'm talking about.
 
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Science is not always right but has the toolkit in proper scrutiny of information.

If you prefer not to use the word "science", it is called sound reasoning and critical thinking.

The biggest obstacle to the truth is the belief that you have found it.

If you ever tried "winning" people of other religions into Christianity, you'd know what I'm talking about.
I have served the Lord in the addiction counseling field (secular environment) working with atheists, agnostics and non- Christian religions. Addiction takes place in all people groups. I do firmly believe the things Jesus states such as : "The Holy Spirit shall lead you into all truth" Not man's truth or man's interpretation of a truth. Over the decades counseling individuals addicted to substances and/or behaviors, I've never used counseling (individual or group) sessions to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. I knew God, His Word and His presence since the approximate age of six years old. I was a chronic alcoholic from the age of 16- 26. God, delivered me from alcoholism on August, 13, 1983. I stopped praying during my active alcoholism years. I'm ever so thankful for a praying mother who taught me to read at a early age so that I would be able to partake of God's Word daily.

timewerx, May God, Mightily bless you and your loved ones, In Jesus's Name!
 
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I don't really know about that,,, but most people are controlled by synthetic telepathy so there is no need to create wars to stop conversion

... do you take medication?
 
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and a lack of a decent word to describe something well.
such as?


Languages can have many dialects. There are fuzzy boundaries around any language. You can't make a decent mapping from language to reality, let alone an isometric one.
what if your language use is your reality?
 
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Funny in another thread the world's 'smartest man' is YoungHoon Kim with an IQ of 276 declared Jesus Christ is God.
The declaration is fine by me but an IQ of 276???
To coin another poster if this is accurate "then I'm Genghis Khan"; any IQ over 160 is statistically unreliable as small sample sizes lead to increase noise
I meant for a man... child IQ's don't mean much to me
 
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Since I do not accept that telepathy is even a thing and have never seen any actually credible evidence for telepathy existing outside of cranks, again I ask... do you take medication?
synthetic telepathy is NOT the same as telepathy

maybe you need meds
 
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synthetic telepathy is NOT the same as telepathy

maybe you need meds

It has telepathy in the name, ergo it is telepathy. And I still think it's bunk and something put forward by cranks.

And what does all of this have to do with the price of tea in China?
 
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It has telepathy in the name, ergo it is telepathy. And I still think it's bunk and something put forward by cranks.

And what does all of this have to do with the price of tea in China?

why are there so many cranks in the patent office?
 
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why are there so many cranks in the patent office?

Buddy, I'm just outright calling you a crank because of your comment of "but most people are controlled by synthetic telepathy so there is no need to create wars to stop conversion" in response that your 160 IQ guy you fawn over said the government did 9/11 to stop people finding out about his own made up theory.
 
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I meant for a man... child IQ's don't mean much to me
What rubbish are you going on about now?
There is zero evidence of YoungHoon's IQ being measured as a child and any IQ test that can measure an IQ of 276 is not worth the paper it is written on.
I am still waiting on your explanation on your 'theory' being a quantum theory of gravity which is renormalizable.
 
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