Liberal Christian leaders condemn 'cruel and oppressive' US gov't; warn of 'white Christian nationalism'

Michie · 2026-02-26T10:00:53-0600

Hundreds of Christians, including some left-leaning Evangelical leaders and scholars, have signed their names to an open letter calling on American Christians to "speak out" against what they described as an increasingly tyrannical government under President Donald Trump.

"We are facing a cruel and oppressive government," began the letter, which is titled "A Call to Christians in a Crisis of Faith and Democracy" and was first published on Ash Wednesday.

Alleging that "citizens and immigrants being demonized, disappeared, and even killed" as "hard-won rights and freedoms" are eroding amid "a calculated effort to reverse America's growing racial and ethnic diversity," the letter warned the U.S. is being pushed "toward authoritarian and imperial rule."

The letter also condemned "white Christian nationalism" as a heresy that is corrupting the church.

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Liberal Christian leaders condemn 'cruel and oppressive' US gov't; warn of 'white Christian nationalism'

Hundreds of Christians, including some left-leaning Evangelical leaders and scholars, have signed their names to an open letter calling for American Christians to speak out against what they

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FireDragon76 · 2026-02-26T10:20:46-0600

The Christian Post framing this along political tribal lines probably isn't that that helpful. I don't know how Kristin du Mez's political partisanship is relevant, for instance (she's a history professor at a Christian university and seminary, not a political pundit), and Shane Claiborne is explicitly apolitical, in keeping with the Anabaptist tradition he belongs to. Alot of people in these spaces are actually traditional Republicans,, or at least come from that background. What they don't tend to do is elevate political allegiance above religious convictions, whereas much of Evangelicalism has become thoroughly colonized by the logic of nationalism and grievance politics, even when it contradicts Christian ethics.

timewerx · 2026-02-26T11:18:58-0600

I hate to say this but I think Trump is operating within his rights as POTUS.

The laws allow the POTUS to act like an evil despot.

FireDragon76 · 2026-02-26T11:23:56-0600

timewerx said:
I hate to say this but I think Trump is operating within his rights as POTUS.

The laws allow the POTUS to act like an evil despot.

When people abdicate responsibility, they certainly do. The American founders were clear that a republic depends upon civic virtue, faith in honesty, truth-telling, and integrity, not just faith in process and order itself.

lismore · 2026-02-26T11:29:25-0600

IMHO abortion is the single greatest obscenity of the modern age. For example 10.8 million people have been aborted in the UK alone. That's 10.8 million individuals persons, loved by God, people preknown by God, formed by God in the womb, then ripped apart for convenience. If any Christian leader hasn't spoken out publically and unequivically against abortion then I don't think they are a Christian leader.

Have these alleged leaders spoken out against abortion? Complaining about illegal migrants being detained when this holocaust is happening on their watch, my goodness

FireDragon76 · 2026-02-26T14:17:54-0600

lismore said:
IMHO abortion is the single greatest obscenity of the modern age. For example 10.8 million people have been aborted in the UK alone. That's 10.8 million individuals persons, loved by God, people preknown by God, formed by God in the womb, then ripped apart for convenience. If any Christian leader hasn't spoken out publically and unequivically against abortion then I don't think they are a Christian leader.

Have these alleged leaders spoken out against abortion? Complaining about illegal migrants being detained when this holocaust is happening on their watch, my goodness

That's a red herring that has nothing to do with the points being raised, which is that the celebration of cruelty dressed in ethnonationalism fundamentally distorts the Gospel.

Tuur · 2026-02-26T14:37:31-0600

FWIW:

There’s a difference between theologically liberal and conservative and politically liberal and conservative. So it is that Jeremiah Wright is politically liberal but theologically conservative. Some decades ago, a state legislature representative made a theologically liberal statement on a political issue, and was met by some ministers who had been in the Civil Rights struggle who explained to him the error of his ways.

When I read “liberal ministers,” I think Unitarian church and such. Liberal evangelicals in a Christian magazine strips my mental fears a little.

Tuur · 2026-02-26T14:55:39-0600

FireDragon76 said:
What they don't tend to do is elevate political allegiance above religious convictions, whereas much of Evangelicalism has become thoroughly colonized by the logic of nationalism and grievance politics, even when it contradicts Christian ethics.

Nice little slur there.

timewerx · 2026-02-26T17:23:33-0600

FireDragon76 said:
When people abdicate responsibility, they certainly do. The American founders were clear that a republic depends upon civic virtue, faith in honesty, truth-telling, and integrity, not just faith in process and order itself.

They weren't truthful either when they named the nation United States of America. They should have called it the "United States of Israel" instead.

Most members don't know it but Freemasonry is a Jewish fraternity. The rituals and symbols alone are a dead giveaway of the Judaist roots and they deny it. So much for honesty. The founders of USA are Freemasons.

Anyway, many changes in the laws occurred during Bush Sr term and 9/11 that would give succeeding POTUS king-like authority. It's not random nor things were overlooked. Trump simply have no shame to exploit it to his advantage. His reputation must be so bad, he doesn't really care.

Michie · 2026-02-26T17:28:56-0600

timewerx said:
They weren't truthful either when they named the nation United States of America. They should have called it the "United States of Israel" instead.

Most members don't know it but Freemasonry is a Jewish fraternity. The rituals and symbols alone are a dead giveaway of the Judaist roots and they deny it. So much for honesty. The founders of USA are Freemasons.

Anyway, many changes in the laws occurred during Bush Sr term and 9/11 that would give succeeding POTUS king-like authority. It's not random nor things were overlooked. Trump simply have no shame to exploit it to his advantage. His reputation must be so bad, he doesn't really care.

Oh good grief. That belongs on the conspiracy forum.

timewerx · 2026-02-26T17:36:02-0600

Michie said:
Oh good grief. That belongs on the conspiracy forum.

No conspiracy, I'll get you these laws when I find it.

Michie · 2026-02-26T17:41:08-0600

You said:
They weren't truthful either when they named the nation United States of America. They should have called it the "United States of Israel" instead.

Most members don't know it but Freemasonry is a Jewish fraternity. The rituals and symbols alone are a dead giveaway of the Judaist roots and they deny it. So much for honesty. The founders of USA are Freemasons.

Good luck.

timewerx · 2026-02-26T18:42:45-0600

Michie said:
You said:
They weren't truthful either when they named the nation United States of America. They should have called it the "United States of Israel" instead.

Most members don't know it but Freemasonry is a Jewish fraternity. The rituals and symbols alone are a dead giveaway of the Judaist roots and they deny it. So much for honesty. The founders of USA are Freemasons.

Good luck.

It's not a conspiracy for Freemasons to deny ties to Israel.

It's simply lying. Big deal though when many of the founders of USA are Freemasons.

Michie · 2026-02-26T21:21:53-0600

Yeah ok. Whatever works for your narrative. :wave:

Tuur · 2026-02-26T21:22:17-0600

timewerx said:
Most members don't know it but Freemasonry is a Jewish fraternity. The rituals and symbols alone are a dead giveaway of the Judaist roots and they deny it. So much for honesty. The founders of USA are Freemasons.

And the Shriners, who go for an Arab and Egyptian motif? You have to be a Third Degree Mason to be a Shriner. So we go from a Jewish fraternity to an Arab one?

My own take on the Masons is cynical. Very cynical. My father left it in disgust with his lodge. My father-in-law had a Masonic funeral, but I never saw the members come around when he was in hospice. It was men from his church who were there the night he died, to put up a hand rail in his hallway, not the Masons.

The supposed Jewish fraternity? It's about as Jewish as the Shriners are Arab. Freemasonry has what can be politely called a "legend" that it goes back to the building of Solomon's Temple, and it's all seen as allegorical.

In 1776, Freemasonry was the secret society in Britain, France, and the US colonies. George Washington was a Mason, as were others. But if we look, we'd likely find that the Loyalists had just as many Masons as the Patriots.

timewerx · 2026-02-27T01:15:11-0600

Tuur said:
And the Shriners, who go for an Arab and Egyptian motif? You have to be a Third Degree Mason to be a Shriner. So we go from a Jewish fraternity to an Arab one?

My own take on the Masons is cynical. Very cynical. My father left it in disgust with his lodge. My father-in-law had a Masonic funeral, but I never saw the members come around when he was in hospice. It was men from his church who were there the night he died, to put up a hand rail in his hallway, not the Masons.

The supposed Jewish fraternity? It's about as Jewish as the Shriners are Arab. Freemasonry has what can be politely called a "legend" that it goes back to the building of Solomon's Temple, and it's all seen as allegorical.

In 1776, Freemasonry was the secret society in Britain, France, and the US colonies. George Washington was a Mason, as were others. But if we look, we'd likely find that the Loyalists had just as many Masons as the Patriots.

Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all "Abrahamic religions" you probably know already.

How does Kemet (the Ancient Egyptian Religion) fit into this? The many parallels to Christianity about Kemet can't just be dismissed as coincidences.

Why would the Freemasons do this? I don't know. But one thing I do know about demons, they practice not only speaking about lies, false teachings, etc but also speak / preach about the truth on occasion so they can ensnare /trap those who might be seeking the truth.

So that demons can intervene those seeking or calling out for the truth because demons also speak the truth (in addition to lies).

Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and Kemet, only one of them can be the truth, Freemasonry have all them. I'm not saying they are deliberately practicing dark magic, it could be just an innocent coincidence but exposing people to mixed beliefs of some false teachings, some the truth is what demons do.

Freemasonry doesn't claim to be a religion and technically, they're not but they use religious symbols from at least four major world religions past and present. It's very misleading at the very least. At worst, practicing dark magic through those symbols. Besides, if you're using religious symbols, there's usually only two reasons why, either to respect or disrespect them. Both bad. Would you disrespect a truthful religion or respect a religion of false teachings?

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