What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

The Barbarian said:

But if some person could explain to me the physics of a Foucault pendulum on a flat Earth, I'd be very impressed.

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Michie said:

I did not know anyone was supposed to impress you.

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Not much chance of it happening, anyway. BTW, there is no Coriolis Force, just as there is no centrifugal force. Well, sort of...

The Barbarian said:

Not much chance of it happening, anyway.

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Yeah I edited my last post for clarify.

Jipsah said:

Yeah, being that cars are designed specifically for the purpose of killing people and destroying things, and that a rifle that gives the friendly neighborhood psychopath the ability to slaughter innocents en masse is akin to a Hyundai sedan. Why not legalize the carrying of frag grenades as well? Second amendment, after all, keep and bear arms, right? No problem there as long as we keep The Wrong People from getting, just we do with rifles with shoot-all-day high-capacity quick-change magazines. We can always decry the Very Bad Guy who blows up the kindergarten.. "It not a grenade problem, it's a people problem, right? More grenade safety classes, yeah? You can kill people with a Ginzu knife, too, what's the difference?

No, the problem is the men, women, and children who are slaughtered by evil/insane people who can easily grab a weapon that serves no earthly purpose but to kill s many people in as short a time as possible. The "it's just like a car" is too ridiculous a comparison to be taken seriously. Wanna target shoot? A bolt action is a better choice. Wanna carry something for personal protection? A shotgun or a revolver is a far more practical option unless you're planning on getting into a full-on firefight, in which case you're probably not the sort of person we need owning a gun. Wanna play war? Try airsoft or paintball.

It's time to give up the stupid posturing and address the problem. The argument for doing nothing is equivalent to saying "oh, the problem ain't all that bad". That's simply a matter of saying "gun violence hasn't hurt anyone *I* know... yet". It's those people's problem. Yep... right up until it's one of yours is the victim.

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lol Gee watch that gun aim and pull it’s own trigger or that car accelerate on its own and run over people.

People are the problem but that’s hard for folks with your point of view to understand. In fact if we eliminated every artifact that can be used as a weapon that would still not save people from a violent death. But of course here comes the emotional fallacy argument. Yes, guns wielded by people kill people and yes, cars driven by people kill people, heck, hammers wielded by people kill people. But of course those are not the pet target of the left and the political hot potato.

The Barbarian said:

Something that's never happened before on Christian Forums.

But if some person could explain to me the physics of a Foucault pendulum on a flat Earth, I'd be very impressed.

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Hypnotist's trick, of course.

Hentenza said:

lol Gee watch that gun aim and pull it’s own trigger or that car accelerate on its own and run over people.

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Being intentionally obtuse, I see. Yes, Bad People Do Bad things. The question is should we be letting every psychpath out there be able to buy weapons that are designed and optimized to kill a lot of people in a short time. Yes, the psychopath can kill people with a claw hammer, or a screwdriver. But he isn't as likely to kill people in large numbers before he gets taken down. The guy armed with a 30 shooter and a sack of mags can, and often does.

That's the simple fact that dyed-in-wool gun worshippers won't acknowledge. Or worse, maybe can't acknowledge. "Oh yeah, the Las Vegas shooter murdered 59 people and woulded literally hundreds more, but having what investigators say were SEMI-automatic weapons had nothing to do with it!" Right. He could as easily have killed and maimed all those people with a sling and a pocketful of creek gravel. I don't think you believe that any more than I do, you just have too much emotional capital invested in "muh guns and muh rahts" to admit the obvious. And then, once the number of victims in a mass murder grows too great we have a harder time embracing the real horror of the thing. That's true even of people who don't have an emotional interest in minimizing the kind of slaughter that one evil person can unleash on innocent people when armed with modern weapons.

Oh, it ain't the guns. Yes, it is. Try murdering 33 people and wounding 23 more (Virginia Tech) without one. Or how about 28 kids slaughtered at Sandy Hook, 22 at Uvalde TX, and 18 at Parkland in FL. "Oh, guns had nothing to do with it. Really? Then why didn't the murderers choose bows and arrows or two-handed swords to kill their victims?

YOu know the answer to that as well as I do, but you'll never acknowledge it

Hentenza said:

People are the problem

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So hand those bad people military weapons. What could go wrong.

Hentenza said:

but that’s hard for folks with your point of view to understand.

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It's hard for me to understand gun worship, although I've been around it all my life. It's even more difficult for me to understand the virtue in letting the worst of us arm themselves with modern weapons. The best I can tell it's a matter of wanting what they want and not caring tuppence for how much it may endanger anyone else

fact if we eliminated every artifact that can be used as a weapon that would still not save people from a violent death.

So a few dozen children murdered now and then isn't really all that big a deal. I mean, we all die anyway, right? It's muh rahts to have a AR-15 with a drum mag that's important.

But of course here comes the emotional fallacy argument.

Yeah, the grisly history of mass murder in the US is just an "emotional fallacy". I mean, why would anyone get emotional about someone killing a bunch of other people's kids? It's not like they were your kids, after all.

Yes, guns wielded by people kill people and yes, cars driven by people kill people, heck, hammers wielded by people kill people.

THere's that high capacity semi-auto claw hammer of yours again. Yessir, it's the Sandy Hook shooter had had a hammer in stead of a lilitary type rifle, the outcome would have been the same, wouldn't it?

But of course those are not the pet target of the left and the political hot potato.

Yeah, I'm sure that thinking that mass murder is a Bad Thing is the hallmark of a crypto commie. If so, then I'll be sure to get a hammer and sickle tattooed on my arm.

Jipsah said:

Being intentionally obtuse, I see. Yes, Bad People Do Bad things. The question is should we be letting every psychpath out there be able to buy weapons that are designed and optimized to kill a lot of people in a short time. Yes, the psychopath can kill people with a claw hammer, or a screwdriver. But he isn't as likely to kill people in large numbers before he gets taken down. The guy armed with a 30 shooter and a sack of mags can, and often does.

That's the simple fact that dyed-in-wool gun worshippers won't acknowledge. Or worse, maybe can't acknowledge. "Oh yeah, the Las Vegas shooter murdered 59 people and woulded literally hundreds more, but having what investigators say were SEMI-automatic weapons had nothing to do with it!" Right. He could as easily have killed and maimed all those people with a sling and a pocketful of creek gravel. I don't think you believe that any more than I do, you just have too much emotional capital invested in "muh guns and muh rahts" to admit the obvious. And then, once the number of victims in a mass murder grows too great we have a harder time embracing the real horror of the thing. That's true even of people who don't have an emotional interest in minimizing the kind of slaughter that one evil person can unleash on innocent people when armed with modern weapons.

Oh, it ain't the guns. Yes, it is. Try murdering 33 people and wounding 23 more (Virginia Tech) without one. Or how about 28 kids slaughtered at Sandy Hook, 22 at Uvalde TX, and 18 at Parkland in FL. "Oh, guns had nothing to do with it. Really? Then why didn't the murderers choose bows and arrows or two-handed swords to kill their victims?

YOu know the answer to that as well as I do, but you'll never acknowledge it

So hand those bad people military weapons. What could go wrong.

It's hard for me to understand gun worship, although I've been around it all my life. It's even more difficult for me to understand the virtue in letting the worst of us arm themselves with modern weapons. The best I can tell it's a matter of wanting what they want and not caring tuppence for how much it may endanger anyone else

fact if we eliminated every artifact that can be used as a weapon that would still not save people from a violent death.

So a few dozen children murdered now and then isn't really all that big a deal. I mean, we all die anyway, right? It's muh rahts to have a AR-15 with a drum mag that's important.

But of course here comes the emotional fallacy argument.

Yeah, the grisly history of mass murder in the US is just an "emotional fallacy". I mean, why would anyone get emotional about someone killing a bunch of other people's kids? It's not like they were your kids, after all.

Yes, guns wielded by people kill people and yes, cars driven by people kill people, heck, hammers wielded by people kill people.

THere's that high capacity semi-auto claw hammer of yours again. Yessir, it's the Sandy Hook shooter had had a hammer in stead of a lilitary type rifle, the outcome would have been the same, wouldn't it?

But of course those are not the pet target of the left and the political hot potato.

Yeah, I'm sure that thinking that mass murder is a Bad Thing is the hallmark of a crypto commie. If so, then I'll be sure to get a hammer and sickle tattooed on my arm.

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Emotional fallacy much? Look at each of the people that performed the killings that you cited and you will see someone with mental health problems. Guns are still not the problem people are. Stop selling guns to people with mental health issues. Stop allowing parents to buy guns for kids that have obvious mental health problems. Bring up the age to 25 for anyone to be able to buy a gun since the majority of school shootings are by teenagers or low twenties and then have a waiting period. Get kids off social media and stop giving everyone a trophy. Etc etc etc.

Surprised you, didn’t I. You made nonsense assumptions that’s what you get. But then what I said is not part of your progressive agenda isn’t it. You guys just want to stick it politically to those from the center, like me, and definitely to those from the right so common sense solutions are knock down and the can kicked down the road.

Must be Lent.

Lenten grouchies are real.