What did they teach you in school , flat or round earth?

The Barbarian said:

But if some person could explain to me the physics of a Foucault pendulum on a flat Earth, I'd be very impressed.

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Michie said:

I did not know anyone was supposed to impress you.

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Not much chance of it happening, anyway. BTW, there is no Coriolis Force, just as there is no centrifugal force. Well, sort of...

The Barbarian said:

Not much chance of it happening, anyway.

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Yeah I edited my last post for clarify.

Jipsah said:

Yeah, being that cars are designed specifically for the purpose of killing people and destroying things, and that a rifle that gives the friendly neighborhood psychopath the ability to slaughter innocents en masse is akin to a Hyundai sedan. Why not legalize the carrying of frag grenades as well? Second amendment, after all, keep and bear arms, right? No problem there as long as we keep The Wrong People from getting, just we do with rifles with shoot-all-day high-capacity quick-change magazines. We can always decry the Very Bad Guy who blows up the kindergarten.. "It not a grenade problem, it's a people problem, right? More grenade safety classes, yeah? You can kill people with a Ginzu knife, too, what's the difference?

No, the problem is the men, women, and children who are slaughtered by evil/insane people who can easily grab a weapon that serves no earthly purpose but to kill s many people in as short a time as possible. The "it's just like a car" is too ridiculous a comparison to be taken seriously. Wanna target shoot? A bolt action is a better choice. Wanna carry something for personal protection? A shotgun or a revolver is a far more practical option unless you're planning on getting into a full-on firefight, in which case you're probably not the sort of person we need owning a gun. Wanna play war? Try airsoft or paintball.

It's time to give up the stupid posturing and address the problem. The argument for doing nothing is equivalent to saying "oh, the problem ain't all that bad". That's simply a matter of saying "gun violence hasn't hurt anyone *I* know... yet". It's those people's problem. Yep... right up until it's one of yours is the victim.

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lol Gee watch that gun aim and pull it’s own trigger or that car accelerate on its own and run over people.

People are the problem but that’s hard for folks with your point of view to understand. In fact if we eliminated every artifact that can be used as a weapon that would still not save people from a violent death. But of course here comes the emotional fallacy argument. Yes, guns wielded by people kill people and yes, cars driven by people kill people, heck, hammers wielded by people kill people. But of course those are not the pet target of the left and the political hot potato.

The Barbarian said:

Something that's never happened before on Christian Forums.

But if some person could explain to me the physics of a Foucault pendulum on a flat Earth, I'd be very impressed.

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Hypnotist's trick, of course.

Hentenza said:

lol Gee watch that gun aim and pull it’s own trigger or that car accelerate on its own and run over people.

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Being intentionally obtuse, I see. Yes, Bad People Do Bad things. The question is should we be letting every psychpath out there be able to buy weapons that are designed and optimized to kill a lot of people in a short time. Yes, the psychopath can kill people with a claw hammer, or a screwdriver. But he isn't as likely to kill people in large numbers before he gets taken down. The guy armed with a 30 shooter and a sack of mags can, and often does.

That's the simple fact that dyed-in-wool gun worshippers won't acknowledge. Or worse, maybe can't acknowledge. "Oh yeah, the Las Vegas shooter murdered 59 people and woulded literally hundreds more, but having what investigators say were SEMI-automatic weapons had nothing to do with it!" Right. He could as easily have killed and maimed all those people with a sling and a pocketful of creek gravel. I don't think you believe that any more than I do, you just have too much emotional capital invested in "muh guns and muh rahts" to admit the obvious. And then, once the number of victims in a mass murder grows too great we have a harder time embracing the real horror of the thing. That's true even of people who don't have an emotional interest in minimizing the kind of slaughter that one evil person can unleash on innocent people when armed with modern weapons.

Oh, it ain't the guns. Yes, it is. Try murdering 33 people and wounding 23 more (Virginia Tech) without one. Or how about 28 kids slaughtered at Sandy Hook, 22 at Uvalde TX, and 18 at Parkland in FL. "Oh, guns had nothing to do with it. Really? Then why didn't the murderers choose bows and arrows or two-handed swords to kill their victims?

YOu know the answer to that as well as I do, but you'll never acknowledge it

Hentenza said:

People are the problem

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So hand those bad people military weapons. What could go wrong.

Hentenza said:

but that’s hard for folks with your point of view to understand.

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It's hard for me to understand gun worship, although I've been around it all my life. It's even more difficult for me to understand the virtue in letting the worst of us arm themselves with modern weapons. The best I can tell it's a matter of wanting what they want and not caring tuppence for how much it may endanger anyone else

fact if we eliminated every artifact that can be used as a weapon that would still not save people from a violent death.

So a few dozen children murdered now and then isn't really all that big a deal. I mean, we all die anyway, right? It's muh rahts to have a AR-15 with a drum mag that's important.

But of course here comes the emotional fallacy argument.

Yeah, the grisly history of mass murder in the US is just an "emotional fallacy". I mean, why would anyone get emotional about someone killing a bunch of other people's kids? It's not like they were your kids, after all.

Yes, guns wielded by people kill people and yes, cars driven by people kill people, heck, hammers wielded by people kill people.

THere's that high capacity semi-auto claw hammer of yours again. Yessir, it's the Sandy Hook shooter had had a hammer in stead of a lilitary type rifle, the outcome would have been the same, wouldn't it?

But of course those are not the pet target of the left and the political hot potato.

Yeah, I'm sure that thinking that mass murder is a Bad Thing is the hallmark of a crypto commie. If so, then I'll be sure to get a hammer and sickle tattooed on my arm.

Jipsah said:

Being intentionally obtuse, I see. Yes, Bad People Do Bad things. The question is should we be letting every psychpath out there be able to buy weapons that are designed and optimized to kill a lot of people in a short time. Yes, the psychopath can kill people with a claw hammer, or a screwdriver. But he isn't as likely to kill people in large numbers before he gets taken down. The guy armed with a 30 shooter and a sack of mags can, and often does.

That's the simple fact that dyed-in-wool gun worshippers won't acknowledge. Or worse, maybe can't acknowledge. "Oh yeah, the Las Vegas shooter murdered 59 people and woulded literally hundreds more, but having what investigators say were SEMI-automatic weapons had nothing to do with it!" Right. He could as easily have killed and maimed all those people with a sling and a pocketful of creek gravel. I don't think you believe that any more than I do, you just have too much emotional capital invested in "muh guns and muh rahts" to admit the obvious. And then, once the number of victims in a mass murder grows too great we have a harder time embracing the real horror of the thing. That's true even of people who don't have an emotional interest in minimizing the kind of slaughter that one evil person can unleash on innocent people when armed with modern weapons.

Oh, it ain't the guns. Yes, it is. Try murdering 33 people and wounding 23 more (Virginia Tech) without one. Or how about 28 kids slaughtered at Sandy Hook, 22 at Uvalde TX, and 18 at Parkland in FL. "Oh, guns had nothing to do with it. Really? Then why didn't the murderers choose bows and arrows or two-handed swords to kill their victims?

YOu know the answer to that as well as I do, but you'll never acknowledge it

So hand those bad people military weapons. What could go wrong.

It's hard for me to understand gun worship, although I've been around it all my life. It's even more difficult for me to understand the virtue in letting the worst of us arm themselves with modern weapons. The best I can tell it's a matter of wanting what they want and not caring tuppence for how much it may endanger anyone else

fact if we eliminated every artifact that can be used as a weapon that would still not save people from a violent death.

So a few dozen children murdered now and then isn't really all that big a deal. I mean, we all die anyway, right? It's muh rahts to have a AR-15 with a drum mag that's important.

But of course here comes the emotional fallacy argument.

Yeah, the grisly history of mass murder in the US is just an "emotional fallacy". I mean, why would anyone get emotional about someone killing a bunch of other people's kids? It's not like they were your kids, after all.

Yes, guns wielded by people kill people and yes, cars driven by people kill people, heck, hammers wielded by people kill people.

THere's that high capacity semi-auto claw hammer of yours again. Yessir, it's the Sandy Hook shooter had had a hammer in stead of a lilitary type rifle, the outcome would have been the same, wouldn't it?

But of course those are not the pet target of the left and the political hot potato.

Yeah, I'm sure that thinking that mass murder is a Bad Thing is the hallmark of a crypto commie. If so, then I'll be sure to get a hammer and sickle tattooed on my arm.

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Emotional fallacy much? Look at each of the people that performed the killings that you cited and you will see someone with mental health problems. Guns are still not the problem people are. Stop selling guns to people with mental health issues. Stop allowing parents to buy guns for kids that have obvious mental health problems. Bring up the age to 25 for anyone to be able to buy a gun since the majority of school shootings are by teenagers or low twenties and then have a waiting period. Get kids off social media and stop giving everyone a trophy. Etc etc etc.

Surprised you, didn’t I. You made nonsense assumptions that’s what you get. But then what I said is not part of your progressive agenda isn’t it. You guys just want to stick it politically to those from the center, like me, and definitely to those from the right so common sense solutions are knock down and the can kicked down the road.

Must be Lent.

Lenten grouchies are real.

Hentenza said:

Emotional fallacy much?

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<ROFL> Personally, I think your position depends on the "Problem? What Problem?" fallacy, aka the "So What?" fallacy. It's a matter of not giving a hoot how many innocents are slaughtered as long as it doesn't directly effect you. Typical modern American ego-centrism. A few dozen kids murdered somewhere far away doesn't concern you. Should we try to prevent homicidal monsters from getting the tools required for a successful mass murder? "Nah, not if it'll inconvenience me. I like guns, I'm not gonna kill anyone, so it ain't my problem. He was gonna kill them anyway, so why get all agitated about it? " Right?

Hentenza said:

Look at each of the people that performed the killings that you cited and you will see someone with mental health problems.

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And a rapid firing gun with high capacity quick change magazines. We may not be able to control all the world's homicidal loonies, but we can make it more difficult for them to get access to high-tech killing machines. If we want to, of course. You obviously see no reason to do so, because, so what? Killer are gonna kill, so?

Hentenza said:

Guns are still not the problem

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How many mass murders are actually committed without them?

Hentenza said:

Stop selling guns to people with mental health issues.

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Just to be on the safe side, why not stop selling semi-auto guns capable of using high-cap magazies at all? When was the last time you needed to crank off thirty rounds rapid fire? When you attacked by a mob of murderous Harris supporters on you way to the polls in 2024? Or are you simply afraid that half-Korean half-redneck fifth columnists will March on Washington, and that valiant and heavily armed Centrests like yourself are all that will stand between them and the destruction ohf America? Think of it, you and your AR with the laser sight and vertical foreend may be all that stands between Te Land of the Free and the mongrel hordes! Right? In that light, how much do the lives a few hundred innocent men women and children signify as compared to the salvation of Our Glorious Republic?

Hentenza said:

Stop allowing parents to buy guns for kids that have obvious mental health problems.

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How you gonna know, assuming that you even actually care? 2nd Amendment uber alles, right? Who's to say who's mental and who's not?

Hentenza said:

Bring up the age to 25 for anyone to be able to buy a gun since the majority of school shootings are by teenagers or low twenties and then have a waiting period.

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But make sure once they're old enough they'll still be able to buy a gun thy can load on Sunday and then gun down their schoolmates for the rest of the week.

Hentenza said:

Get kids off social media and stop giving everyone a trophy. Etc etc etc.

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Yeah, the relationship between trophies and mass murder are pretty much axiomatic.

Hentenza said:

Surprised you, didn’t I.

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You always cease to amaze me. But then then the average gun worshipper's biggest fear is that he won't be able to buy an AK-47 with a bump stock when he "needs" it.

Hentenza said:

You made nonsense assumptions that’s what you get.

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In other words, you still think military level firearms should be readily available to just about anyone, the body count be blowed. That's a Genuine Right Wing Christian right there yessirree!

Hentenza said:

But then what I said is not part of your progressive agenda isn’t it.

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You wouldn't know a "progressive" if they shot up a rock concert,, Here's a flash for you - my family actually suffered under the yoke and lash of the Kim regime in Korea. My Korean grandad lost an eye fighting Chinese and North Korean "progressives". Spare me your ignorant posturing about things of which you're appallingly ignorant. You don't have a clue who you're talking to, or much alse as best I can tell. You recite right Republican shibboleths as though you'd just discovered and Holy Grail. In the end it's all political rubbish. the ignorance of the Left is no worse then the Stupidity of the Right, as this exchange should clearly demonstrate.

Hentenza said:

You guys just want to stick it politically to those from the center, like me,

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Center of what? It's a battle for power, with True Believing nincompoops manning the trenches on both sides. The willingness of the Right to sacrifice lives for political opportunism is no less pernicious then the left's willingness to sacrifice children for their diabolical social engineering goals. A plague on both your houses! Neither cares a fig for the people whose lives they destroy. Both are corrupt, and I decline to accept the corruption of one side for the corruption of the other.

Hentenza said:

and definitely to those from the right so common sense solutions are knock down and the can kicked down the road.

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"Common sense" apparently meaning allowing murderers to have the ways and means to kill more harmless people. Congratulations, I'm sure it's a great victory for whatever it is that your lot supposedly stands for.

Jipsah said:

How many mass murders are actually committed without them?

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Here. Maybe some research might help you. Shall we ban cars too? The ignorance of progressives continues to amaze me.

“Fifteen people were killed, and more than 30 injured, when a man drove a pick-up truck at high speed through crowds of people in the streets of New Orleans in the early hours of New Year's Day.

The attack in the US, which is being treated by the FBI as "an act of terrorism", came only a fortnight after an SUV was driven into crowds at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany, killing five people and injuring 200.”


“This is a list of vehicle-ramming attacks. A vehicle-ramming attack also known as a vehicle as a weapon or VAW attack, is an assault in which a perpetrator deliberately rams a vehicleinto a building, multiple people, or another vehicle.[1][2][a]

According to Stratfor Global Intelligence analysts in 2008, this method of attack represented a relatively new militant tactic that could prove more difficult to prevent than suicide bombings.[3] Deliberate vehicle-ramming into a crowd of people is a tactic often used by terrorists, becoming a major terrorist tactic in the 2010s because it requires relatively little skill to perpetrate and it has the potential to cause significant casualties.[4][5]”