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Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

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That’s a dangerous road to go down insofar as it leads to the severe error known as “Mid Acts Dispensationalism.”
That's a path one could wander to from it, but it doesn't lead to it.

If Acts 15 is the first written New Testament epistle, a Spirit-inspired apostolic directive, and explicitly governing Gentile inclusion apart from Torah...

... then the Church as a distinct New Covenant entity is already theologically defined, institutionally acting, and issuing binding rulings apart from the Torah.

That directly undermines the Mid-Acts claim that the Church mystery is still unrevealed or only partially revealed.

My view emphasizes that the Apostles are acting together, Jerusalem leadership, and that Paul is not acting alone as the unique revealer of Church mystery.

Mid-Acts error requires Paul to be the singular pivot point. Acts 15 presents a conciliatory decision by the Jerusalem leadership, not a Pauline takeover.
 
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That's a path one could wander to from it, but it doesn't lead to it.

If Acts 15 is the first written New Testament epistle, a Spirit-inspired apostolic directive, and explicitly governing Gentile inclusion apart from Torah...

... then the Church as a distinct New Covenant entity is already theologically defined, institutionally acting, and issuing binding rulings apart from the Torah.

That directly undermines the Mid-Acts claim that the Church mystery is still unrevealed or only partially revealed.

My view emphasizes that the Apostles are acting together, Jerusalem leadership, and that Paul is not acting alone as the unique revealer of Church mystery.

Mid-Acts error requires Paul to be the singular pivot point. Acts 15 presents a conciliatory decision by the Jerusalem leadership, not a Pauline takeover.

Very good, well handled. It’s also oddly refreshing to see a case where I toss an exception, my interlocutor has the grace and presence of mind to deflect it in a manner that is illuminating and insightful, rather than resorting to ad hominema.
 

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Happy New Year and I hope you have a blessed new year.

There is a lot of context Paul gives us in this passage. There is so much more that I could have touched on but was trying to keep it as short as possible.

There are several different Sabbaths in the Bible that uses the same word, but has very different meanings.

There is the seventh day Sabbath- instituted at Creation Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3, came before sin, reaffirmed in the Ten Commandments Exo20:8-11, written by God personally Exo31:18, placed inside God’s ark Exo40:20 God called it “the holy day of the Lord” Isa58:13

There are the annual sabbath(s) feast days that are always tied to animal sacrifices, they don’t always fall on the seventh day can be on any day and came after the fall and were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark of God’s covenant came after sin.

  • 1st day of Unleavened Bread
  • 7th day of Unleavened Bread
  • Pentecost
  • Trumpets
  • Day of Atonement
  • 1st day of Tabernacles
  • 8th day of Tabernacles
We see these in Leviticus 23 and these are additional feasts besides the Sabbath of the Lord- the seventh day Sabbath Lev 23:37-38

There is the Day of Atonement Sabbath where fasting is required Lev16:31 Lev 23:27-32
There is the seventh year Sabbath that is every 7th year where the land should rest Lev25:1-7
The Jubilee Sabbath (50th) year Lev 25:8-17


So I think we are being quick to assume by seeing the word Sabbath that has different meanings and assuming it means the Holy Day of the Lord that comes with God's blessing and sanctification , without looking at the context that Paul carefully gave and we should let the Bible interpret itself.

Col 2:14 KJV Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.

Col 2:14 NASB having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Greek word for handwriting: χειρόγραφον (cheirographon)
Literally: “something written by hand

Ordinances
τοῖς δόγμασιν (tois dogmasin)
Meaning: “decrees,” “regulations,” “legal demands”

It is a legal document that condemns sinners why Paul used the word “against us” and “contrary to us”. The law does not condemn the righteous, it condemns the sinners.

Just from this context that Paul gave we can eliminate the Ten Commandments, but lets let Scripture interpret Scripture.

Who wrote the handwritten ordinances?

2 Chron 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

What law is the law that was contrary and against?

Deut 31:24-26 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;


It appears from the text that this is not referring to the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments that was written by God Himself by His finger Exo31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant, not besides like the annual sabbath(s) connected to animal sacrifices.


This is the law that was taken away at the Cross.

Col 2:16 let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

This is the exact language referring to the annual sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses, placed besides the ark that refer to annual feasts days, sacrifices and offerings that some were also called sabbath(s)

Eze 45:17 and it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.


What did Jesus say He would come to put an end to? (compared to magnifying another law- by placing it in our hearts Isa42:21 Heb8:10)


Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.


Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

What are the shadows laws? Lets let the Scriptures define what they are

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once []purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

5 Therefore
, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, []O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been []sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all

This fits the context of this passage perfectly and makes the Bible harmonize because we see Sabbath-keeping (every Sabbath) 30+ years after the Cross just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa 56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20-30 and forever Isa66:22-23
Again Exodus 24:4 specifically states that Moses wrote ALL that God had spoken into the book of the covenant which includes ALL that God had spoken into chapter 20. So the whole law was handwritten in the book of the covenant. And your ridiculous statement that the law doesn’t condemn the righteous it condemns sinner applies to the whole law not just the 10 commandments. You say that as long as we don’t break the commandments they’re not against us but that same logic also applies to the handwritten ordinances, if we keep those then they’re not against either so this argument is nonsensical. So let’s examine what exactly Paul said because you basically have Paul referring to the annual feast days twice. Let no one judge in regard to food or drink or an annual feast day or a new moon or an annual feast day. That’s how your interpretation reads the passage which is absurd. You have Paul repeating the annual feast day twice. Not to mention that Paul specifically referred to the commandments written on stone tablets as a ministry of death and condemnation in 2 Corinthians 3 and yet your still going to argue that the 10 commandments were not against us. Obviously Paul would disagree that’s why we were given a new ministry, not just a new method of receiving it but a new ministry entirely. We’ve been thru all this before numerous times and you’re going to say that I’ve never addressed this because I thought it was pointless to keep repeating the same thing over and over?
 

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Again Exodus 24:4 specifically states that Moses wrote ALL that God had spoken into the book of the covenant which includes ALL that God had spoken into chapter 20. So the whole law was handwritten in the book of the covenant. And your ridiculous statement that the law doesn’t condemn the righteous it condemns sinner applies to the whole law not just the 10 commandments. You say that as long as we don’t break the commandments they’re not against us but that same logic also applies to the handwritten ordinances, if we keep those then they’re not against either so this argument is nonsensical. So let’s examine what exactly Paul said because you basically have Paul referring to the annual feast days twice. Let no one judge in regard to food or drink or an annual feast day or a new moon or an annual feast day. That’s how your interpretation reads the passage which is absurd. You have Paul repeating the annual feast day twice. Not to mention that Paul specifically referred to the commandments written on stone tablets as a ministry of death and condemnation in 2 Corinthians 3 and yet your still going to argue that the 10 commandments were not against us. Obviously Paul would disagree that’s why we were given a new ministry, not just a new method of receiving it but a new ministry entirely. We’ve been thru all this before numerous times and you’re going to say that I’ve never addressed this because I thought it was pointless to keep repeating the same thing over and over?
I am going to have to rely on the words spoken and written by my Lord and Savior on this matter.

The law of Moses that Moses wrote in a book is not the Ten Commandments, that is another "whole law"

2 Chron 33:8 8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and (in addition to the whole law of God) the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

Moses is not God. Moses is the creation of God, God is the Creator.

God gave the "whole law" which is the Ten Commandments, written by God, spoken by God, the Testimony of God, not Moses, God numbered them by design, said to Remember on the one commandment He know most would try to forget, God claimed it as His, its under the mercy seat of God, not Moses, in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19, not Moses. Our Bibles clearly tell us this is we allows in this case God to define things. This is really the biggest issue that I see, most of the plain thus saith the Lords are sadly not believed. Not even the written Testimony of God is sadly believed. The entire Bible is about the testimony of God through His prophets and apostles, but when it comes to God's own, people want to edit and dismantle it. Its a sad state of affairs we are in. Isa8:20 2Tim4:3-4

God alone wrote the Ten Commandments, spoken by God, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth and when He was finished NO MORE was added.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

It's God's Testimony, not Moses

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

God claimed this unit as "My commandments" its under the mercy seat of God

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Exo 25:21 You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the Testimony that I will give you.

Moses wouldn't even take credit for it and he was there.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Only the Ten Commandments is under the Mercy Seat or Attornment seat of God, because it is what sin is when breaking even in the NT 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7 - this is unedited because God makes no mistakes, its perfect Psa19:7 holy just and good Rom7:12 and what all man will be judged by John12:48 James2:11-12 Rev11:18-19 God's version, not what man thought to change Dan7:25

Moses wrote ANOTHER LAW that was added because of sin for violating the law of God, the Ten Commandments

Deut 31:24 9 So Moses wrote this law and delivered it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.

Deut 31:24 24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Why it was a witness against - what Paul is quoting in Col2:14-17 because it contained all of the blessings and curses for breaking the law of God the Ten Commandments and what the Bible defines as shadow laws Heb10:1-10 .

The Ten Commandments has God's name in the first 4 commandments of how we are to love God with all of our heart, mind and soul. Not Moses- God literally wrote it out for us so we won't have any excuses. To claim obeying what God asked us to is contrary and against is is really a doctrine not coming from God. God said Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Which is a consistent theme throughout the entire Bible because God does not change Ecc12:13 Isa 48:18 John14:15 1John5:3 Rev 12:17 Rev14:12 Rev22:14 etc. etc.


Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


John 12: 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. Why His written and spoken word is under His mercy seat. God's Ten Commandments is not the issue Psa 19:7 Rom7:12 the issue is sin, breaking them 1John3:4, that is the ministry of death. Rom6:23 The law of God went from being written on tabelsts of stone to be written in the NC covenant believers tablets of the heart and mind 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 being part of who they are. Sadly many have not entered into His New Covenant fellowship because they will not subject themselves to God's laws Rom8:7-8 when He has given them to us because He knows what's best 1John5:3 allowing Him to be our God, and we His people Eze20:20 joining ourselves to Him Isa56:6

Jesus is the one who is speaking at Mt Sinai. His words will convict and judge us- Jesus is God. He came to show us how to live. Jesus kept the commandments John15:10 and the Sabbath Luke4:16 He alone is our example 1John2:6 1 Peter2:21-22 not anyone else.

God is calling us out of our false teachings that have been handed down to us for many years Rev18:4 and back to worshiping the God of Creation Rev14:7 Exo20:11
 
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I am going to have to rely on the words spoken and written by my Lord and Savior on this matter.

The law of Moses that Moses wrote in a book is not the Ten Commandments, that is another "whole law"

2 Chron 33:8 8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and (in addition to the whole law of God) the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.
I’m literally in just complete disbelief of what I’m reading right now. 2 Chronicles 33:8 isn’t saying that the whole law wasn’t written by the hand of Moses why do you separate it between whole law and statutes? Why not separate it between statutes and ordinances? It really is unbelievable how far you are willing to twist the word of God to promote your theology. And you completely ignored Exodus 24:4

Then Moses came and recounted to the people ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD AND ALL THE ORDINANCES; and all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!” Moses wrote down ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD. Then he arose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain with twelve pillars for the twelve tribes of Israel. He sent young men of the sons of Israel, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as peace offerings to the Lord. Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and the other half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24‬:‭3‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So when the Israelites made the oath that they would do ALL THAT MOSES HAD JUST SPOKEN TO THEM THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ACTUAL SIGN OF THE COVENANT? THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ? It specifically says that Moses wrote down ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD WHICH INCLUDED ALL HIS WORDS AND THE ORDINANCES then he read it to the entire population of the Israelites.

NOW ADD EXODUS 20:3-7 to Chronicles 33:8 and what do you get? Did Moses only write the statutes and ordinances or did he write ALL THAT GOD COMMANDED THEM?

You really just don’t care at all do you?
 

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I’m literally in just complete disbelief of what I’m reading right now. 2 Chronicles 33:8 isn’t saying that the whole law wasn’t written by the hand of Moses why do you separate it between whole law and statutes? Why not separate it between statutes and ordinances? It really is unbelievable how far you are willing to twist the word of God to promote your theology. And you completely ignored Exodus 24:4

Then Moses came and recounted to the people ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD AND ALL THE ORDINANCES; and all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!” Moses wrote down ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD. Then he arose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain with twelve pillars for the twelve tribes of Israel. He sent young men of the sons of Israel, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as peace offerings to the Lord. Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and the other half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24‬:‭3‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So when the Israelites made the oath that they would do ALL THAT MOSES HAD JUST SPOKEN TO THEM THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ACTUAL SIGN OF THE COVENANT? THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ? It specifically says that Moses wrote down ALL THE WORDS OF THE LORD WHICH INCLUDED ALL HIS WORDS AND THE ORDINANCES then he read it to the entire population of the Israelites.

NOW ADD EXODUS 20:3-7 to Chronicles 33:8 and what do you get? Did Moses only write the statutes and ordinances or did he write ALL THAT GOD COMMANDED THEM?
The law of Moses would of course include the law of God. God’s law is for all God’s people. Rev14:12. Not sure how this changes the clear Scriptures I posted.
You really just don’t care at all do you?
Sorry you think this. God knows and that’s what matters.
 
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First question to AI:
Using strict rules, “Is there any NT text that calls for weekly Sunday worship, or is the only explicit weekly pattern that of Sabbath preaching in Acts 18:4?”​

(AI confirms that there is no command to observe week-day-1 as a day of worshiip/rest etc)

Second Question to AI
Using strict rules, Given that we see not one new testament text saying that Sunday is the Lord’s day and not one text saying that the New Testament church met very Sunday for communion or for worship and not one statement that the term Sabbath is applied to Sunday, how do we get to the point today where the common view is that the new testament says Sunday is the Lord's day, they met every Sunday for gospel preaching and worship. ?​

  • Conclusion
  • 1 Corinthians 16:2 is not describing a Sunday worship gathering. It is Paul’s instruction for each believer to privately set aside money at home on the first day of the week, so that when he came, the collection would already be prepared.
Bob, I was taught years ago I Corinthians 16:1-2 was read to the Corinthian congregation on the Sabbath and Paul telling them to lay aside on the first day of the week. That was his way of saying to lay aside at your first possible chance, The day after the Sabbath.
 
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So let’s examine what exactly Paul said because you basically have Paul referring to the annual feast days twice. Let no one judge in regard to food or drink or an annual feast day or a new moon or an annual feast day. That’s how your interpretation reads the passage which is absurd.
Yes. This was kind of my point too. Paul was very specific and made sure to separate them all so there would be no doubt of what he was saying. But yes, he covered the feast/holy days so the sabbath days noted are literally the weekly sabbath days. That's the translation as well. The day of weekly repose -plural of that. As you stated why would he list feast days twice? Makes no sense within the context.

And we know that we have the very same words in this verse which we know Christ is talking about the weekly sabbath days

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

Same exact wording and translation.
 
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Yes. This was kind of my point too. Paul was very specific and made sure to separate them all so there would be no doubt of what he was saying. But yes, he covered the feast/holy days so the sabbath days noted are literally the weekly sabbath days. That's the translation as well. The day of weekly repose -plural of that. As you stated why would he list feast days twice? Makes no sense within the context.

And we know that we have the very same words in this verse which we know Christ is talking about the weekly sabbath days

Matthew 12:12 "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

Same exact wording and translation.

Yes, its the same word for the weekly Sabbath which is on the seventh day as it is for the yearly sabbath(s) that can be on any day of the week that has to do with food and drink offerings and animal sacrifices, what Jesus came to end Dan9:27. Why Paul was so careful to provide the context to which sabbath(s) he was referring to. Handwritten ordinances, contrary and against, shadow laws. And if we allow the Bible to define what these things are, and they do plainly, we have a clear picture emerge what Paul is referring to.

Making it to be about the weekly Sabbath, this makes Paul teaching that God who made the Sabbath holy and sanctified that He blessed the seventh day Sabbath from Creation Exo20:11 that only He can reverse Num23:19-20, made the Sabbath for man Mark2:27 at Creation to be against mankind. So basically God is against man before sin on the day after He created man in His image.

He would also be countermanding the teachings of Jesus who plainly said His Sabbath would not end at the Cross Mat24:20 (same word) or ever Isa 66:22-23 (same word). Why we need to be careful with Paul writings and look at the context carefully. Paul laid it out plainly but sadly few ever quote the context or even bother looking at the references he is referring to, that are plainly written in our Bibles.

Regarding why would Paul list the feast days twice because not all feast days were annual sabbaths.
 
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Bob, I was taught years ago I Corinthians 16:1-2 was read to the Corinthian congregation on the Sabbath and Paul telling them to lay aside on the first day of the week. That was his way of saying to lay aside at your first possible chance, The day after the Sabbath.
Yes. A great portion, perhaps most, of Paul's audience were women and slaves who did not have control over their daily activities. They had to participate with the congregation when they had the opportunity. Paul could not command a specific day of them.
 
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Yes. A great portion, perhaps most, of Paul's audience were women and slaves who did not have control over their daily activities. They had to participate with the congregation when they had the opportunity. Paul could not command a specific day of them.
Those who were unable to lay aside would surely be excused from Paul's command. Only those who were able would probably be expected to follow it. The laying aside would probably be considered work and so Paul didn't write they should lay aside on a Sabbath day.
 
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I don't know what you mean by that.
I believe the reason Paul told them to wait until the first day of the week to lay aside whatever they wanted to share was it would be considered work if they did it on the Sabbath. I was taught that Paul's letters to Corinth and other churches were often read to the congregation on the Sabbath meeting and so were told to lay aside when the Sabbath was over. Is that true? I don't know.
 
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The law of Moses would of course include the law of God. God’s law is for all God’s people. Rev14:12. Not sure how this changes the clear Scriptures I posted.

Sorry you think this. God knows and that’s what matters.
It doesn’t change 2 Chronicles 33:8 at all, Exodus 24:4 just defines how 2 Chronicles 33:8 is intended to be understood. The whole law, the statues, and ordinances were all written by Moses, your separation of the term “the whole law” and “statutes & ordinances” into two separate categories, one written by God and the others written by Moses contradicts Exodus 24:4 and there’s nothing in 2 Chronicles 33:8 that indicates that separation that you’re trying to impose on the text.
 

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Yes. A great portion, perhaps most, of Paul's audience were women and slaves who did not have control over their daily activities. They had to participate with the congregation when they had the opportunity. Paul could not command a specific day of them.
Not sure if I fully agree. While the Corinth church did indeed have women and slaves in the congregation they also had Jews, people with abundance, and even Erastus, the city treasurer. Remember that Corinth was an important city for trade and the capital of Roman province of Achaea.

The interpretation that makes the most sense is that the Corinthian church would meet after the end of the Sabbath day after 6pm which would then become the first day. Not much work was done in the absence of light so this would be a good time for most. Secondly this would follow the precedent set in Acts 20:7 when they met after 6pm Saturday for a service.
 

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It doesn’t change 2 Chronicles 33:8 at all, Exodus 24:4 just defines how 2 Chronicles 33:8 is intended to be understood. The whole law, the statues, and ordinances were all written by Moses, your separation of the term “the whole law” and “statutes & ordinances” into two separate categories, one written by God and the others written by Moses contradicts Exodus 24:4 and there’s nothing in 2 Chronicles 33:8 that indicates that separation that you’re trying to impose on the text.
That understanding would contradict God.

Exo31:18 18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deut 9:10 Then the Lord delivered to me two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words which the Lord had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Which 2Chron 33:8 makes these distinctions plainly what the Lord commanded, the whole law- the Ten Commandments- no more was added Deut5:22 and the law written by the hand of Moses i.e. ordinances etc. Deut31:24-26

Kings made this distinction too

2 Kings21:8 and I will not make the feet of Israel wander anymore from the land which I gave their fathers—only if they are careful to do according to all that I (God) have commanded them, and according to all the law that My servant Moses commanded them.”

As does Daniel

Dan 9:11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.

Moses was a very important person in Scripture and he was a type of Christ but he was not Christ. He is a creation and servant of God as we are called Isa56:6 God is the Creator and God Himself wrote His laws, numbered them by design are in His Most Holy of His Temple under His mercy seat because it is was defines what sin is when we break and they are very broad Psa119:96 as Jesus taught Mat5:19-30


God made Creation without any help from man. Why do you not think God is capable of writing His own commandments that He claimed as a unit of Ten Deut4:13 Exo34:28 as His Exo20:6 but needed man to help Him? They started way before Moses Exo20:11. God wrote His commandments, the only laws that are under the mercy/atonement seat of God Exo25:21 in God's Temple Rev15:5 Rev11:19 that Moses took no credit for and he was there Exo32:16. The law of Moses was added because of sin, it contained the temporary fixes (animal sacrifices) until the Seed came. The law that describes what is sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7 Mat5:19-30 cannot be the same law was was given because of sin- breaking the law of God, that is perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 God makes no mistakes, we do by not trusting in Him fully, but instead trusting popular traditions of man. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13
 
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Not sure if I fully agree. While the Corinth church did indeed have women and slaves in the congregation they also had Jews, people with abundance, and even Erastus, the city treasurer. Remember that Corinth was an important city for trade and the capital of Roman province of Achaea.

The interpretation that makes the most sense is that the Corinthian church would meet after the end of the Sabbath day after 6pm which would then become the first day. Not much work was done in the absence of light so this would be a good time for most. Secondly this would follow the precedent set in Acts 20:7 when they met after 6pm Saturday for a service.
Paul expected his letters to be shared and read among the congregations, as he indicated in his letter to the Colossians. He didn't tell any congregation anything that could not be applied to any other congregation facing the same situation.
 
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Paul expected his letters to be shared and read among the congregations, as he indicated in his letter to the Colossians. He didn't tell any congregation anything that could not be applied to any other congregation facing the same situation.
Correct but you lost me. Please explain how the letters bring shared relates to the church of Corinth meeting on the first day of the week after 6pm on Saturday?
 
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Correct but you lost me. Please explain how the letters bring shared relates to the church of Corinth meeting on the first day of the week after 6pm on Saturday?
He didn't give Corinth any commands that were not practicable for other congregations.

Or for us.
 
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