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concretecamper · Friday at 9:56 PM

keras said:
a Jewish true Christian believer, who call upon the Name of the Lord and trusts Him for protection, they will be saved.

I'm curious, would you mind defining "a Jewish true Christian believer" and what constitutes "trust"?

Strong in Him · Saturday at 2:13 AM

keras said:
Every Prophet tells us about things that must happen before that glorious Day.
You ignore them at your own risk.

You dismiss the Gospel as "milk for the masses" at yours.

keras said:
The Lord does give us time periods and we do have the historical record; the Babylonian conquest of Judah was in 586BC, which enable us to correlate with Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.

It's your belief/contention that God has a 7000 year plan for mankind. Humans have, in fact, been around for longer than this.
Besides which, God is outside time and not bound by our man made calendars.

keras said:
The saying; 'pre-trib', is not Biblical, just a saying of those who believe the false 'rapture to heaven' theory.

But it's a phrase used about end times.
I didn't say that it was Biblical, neither was I arguing for, or against, its usage. I used it as an example of "end times jargon" that I don't involve myself with.

keras said:
If the Lord asks you to do something, would you say: Nah, get someone else?

If I believed the Lord was asking me to do something I'd pray further about it and ask a wise Christian for counsel.
There are ways of checking these things out - calls to mission or ministry should be submitted to the church for confirmation, for example, and it will be the church which commissions and sends the person to the are that God wants them.
If God wanted me to do something he'd give me the gifts, and the confirmation, to do it.

keras said:
Even my wife says I should study other scriptures, which I do every Sunday via the sermon.

If you can call the Scriptures that I wrote about the cross a "preachy sermon", can call clergy who preach it as "brain washed" and dismiss them as "milk for the masses", you need to do more than look up a few Scriptures that may be used in a sermon. You need to go back to school.

keras said:
If anyone dislikes what I present, then just leave this Forum. But let me say, my replies to you and others, allows me to better present what the Prophets said.

It's your interpretation of what the prophets said which is highly suspect.
You also don't seem to understand that if a prophet has said that something will happen, then it will. You show me a prophet who said, "thus saith the Lord ............. oh wait, I was confused about the Lord's timing." Or, "this is what the Lord says .................. so I made a mistake; I'm only human."
But that is what has happened in your case.
IF the prophets foretold something for 2012, did it happen? If not, was it because the prophet's words were wrong, or because your interpretation, and application, of those words was off?

keras said:
I have a very good and comfortable life now. I try to live as the Lords light and salt here, after a career of multiple mission deployments and raising a family, etc.

I'm very pleased for you.
What's that got to do with correctly interpreting the words of the OT prophets, living till you're 120 and going to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple?

Strong in Him · Saturday at 2:18 AM

Boomboomchucka said:
While I understand Westerners have now coined the term "Christian" let's not forget that Jesus was a Jew and nearly every author of every book in both Testaments were Jews.

They were - but disciples were first called "Christians" in Antioch, Acts 11:26.

Douggg · Saturday at 2:34 AM

keras said:
An accusation made from ignorance and to support the false 'rapture to heaven' theory.

So you are not storing treasure in heaven ? Your heart is not in heaven. You have no desire to go there and worship before the throne of God.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

keras · Saturday at 2:36 AM

concretecamper said:
I'm curious, would you mind defining "a Jewish true Christian believer" and what constitutes "trust"?

I have attended a Church service at the Kingdom Church, Jaffa Road, Jerusalem. They were Christians who had accepted Jesus as their Messiah. He will save them when disaster strikes. They will take shelter underground; Isaiah 29:1-4

Trusting in the Lord for his protection, requires a strong faith during all our trials, but especially when the Lord sends His fiery wrath, in the forthcoming Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. 1 Peter 4:12

keras · Saturday at 2:49 AM

Strong in Him said:
You dismiss the Gospel as "milk for the masses" at yours.

It's your belief/contention that God has a 7000 year plan for mankind. Humans have, in fact, been around for longer than this.
Besides which, God is outside time and not bound by our man made calendars.

But it's a phrase used about end times.
I didn't say that it was Biblical, neither was I arguing for, or against, its usage. I used it as an example of "end times jargon" that I don't involve myself with.

If I believed the Lord was asking me to do something I'd pray further about it and ask a wise Christian for counsel.
There are ways of checking these things out - calls to mission or ministry should be submitted to the church for confirmation, for example, and it will be the church which commissions and sends the person to the are that God wants them.
If God wanted me to do something he'd give me the gifts, and the confirmation, to do it.

If you can call the Scriptures that I wrote about the cross a "preachy sermon", can call clergy who preach it as "brain washed" and dismiss them as "milk for the masses", you need to do more than look up a few Scriptures that may be used in a sermon. You need to go back to school.

It's your interpretation of what the prophets said which is highly suspect.
You also don't seem to understand that if a prophet has said that something will happen, then it will. You show me a prophet who said, "thus saith the Lord ............. oh wait, I was confused about the Lord's timing." Or, "this is what the Lord says .................. so I made a mistake; I'm only human."
But that is what has happened in your case.
IF the prophets foretold something for 2012, did it happen? If not, was it because the prophet's words were wrong, or because your interpretation, and application, of those words was off?

I'm very pleased for you.
What's that got to do with correctly interpreting the words of the OT prophets, living till you're 120 and going to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple?

Your comments are worthless: jumps to wrong conclusions and crude attempts to discredit me.
Try to make a positive contribution and tell us what you actually do believe about Bible Prophecy. You believe Jesus will Return, but the scriptural evidence shows the world situation will be very different from today.

Strong in Him · Saturday at 2:55 AM

keras said:
Your comments are worthless: jumps to wrong conclusions and crude attempts to discredit me.

You discredited yourself when you mangled Zechariah 5, dismissed the Gospel as "milk for the masses", and told of things that just didn't happen.

But your previous post was right about one thing; I should leave the forum. It, and you, have taught me nothing and I have lots to do for the Lord today.

keras · Saturday at 3:04 AM

Douggg said:
So you are not storing treasure in heaven ? Your heart is not in heaven. You have no desire to go there and worship before the throne of God.

You are really pathetic. I will worship before the Throne of God on earth, as Revelation 7:6-14 says.
Have you never read Matthew 16:27? Jesus will bring our rewards with Him. Expect Him to also castigate those who taught false theories.

I do not want to go to heaven, as I know our destiny as Christians, is to be the Lords peoples on earth. Daniel 7:24 and Revelation 13:7, prove it.

keras · Saturday at 3:13 AM

Strong in Him said:
You discredited yourself when you mangled Zechariah 5, dismissed the Gospel as "milk for the masses", and told of things that just didn't happen.

But your previous post was right about one thing; I should leave the forum. It, and you, have taught me nothing and I have lots to do for the Lord today.

Time will tell with the real meaning of Zechariah 5.

I will miss your posts, as they enable me to present the truths to the benefit of the viewers here.

Lost4words · Saturday at 3:40 AM

keras said:
Time will tell with the real meaning of Zechariah 5.

I will miss your posts, as they enable me to present the truths to the benefit of the viewers here.

I rest my case...

Douggg · Saturday at 10:09 AM

keras said:
I do not want to go to heaven, as I know our destiny as Christians, is to be the Lords peoples on earth. Daniel 7:24 and Revelation 13:7, prove it.

How do you explain the 24 elders that John saw while he was in heaven ?

keras · Saturday at 1:50 PM

Douggg said:
How do you explain the 24 elders that John saw while he was in heaven ?

Obviously those who John saw, in Revelation 4:4, are Spiritual beings.
We are given no further details, so any speculation is fruitless.

The scene in Revelation 7:9-14 is on earth, as shown by Rev 7:1-4.

Lost4words said:
I rest my case...

You have never told us what your case actually is.

keras · Saturday at 1:55 PM

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +
The true Israelites of God, those who come to live in the new country of Beulah, [Isaiah 62:1-5] cannot be those who are apostate or of any sort of deviant personality. But there must be many left alive in the world who will credit the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath to a natural event and continue on in their disbelief of a Creator God. They will form a One World Govt, as prophesied.

Ezekiel 20:37-38 is the best scripture that tells how the Lord will gather all His people, then judge them and those who ‘revolt and rebel’, will not enter the Land. Jeremiah 5:26-29, Isaiah 66:19b-21

Amos 9:10…the sinners of My people will die by the sword… Isaiah 65:11-12

Isaiah 35:8-10…no one unclean will travel along the ‘Way of Holiness’ into Zion.

Romans 9:24-26 You Christians are My people and in the same place as Israel was rejected, you shall be called Children of the Living God.

As we see in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, it is the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ who are present in the Land during the end time events.

Unfortunately it is evident that the new Israelites go to some extent along the same path as their ancestors and in their prosperity, begin to fall away from the true faith in the Lord as their protector and they agree to a peace treaty with the leader of the OWG. Daniel 9:27 What the Lord thinks about this is in Isaiah 28:14-20
Isaiah 28:21-22 refers to the great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.

The rest of the world’s nations will be under the One World Government, a ten region entity governed by councils each headed by a President. They will soon confer their power and authority onto one charismatic leader, Revelation 17:13

So then, unrighteous and evil people will be present on earth right up until the Return of Jesus. Then, many prophesies say how all the wicked are destroyed then.
But Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years and he will ‘seduce the nations’ for the one last time. This will sort out those who have kept their faith and those who rebel for the last earthly judgement.
For us, knowing how important it is to keep firm hold onto trusting the Lord for our protection during the forthcoming traumatic times ahead, it is a matter of life or death- Life eternal with Jesus or Death; eventual total annihilation.

Douggg · Saturday at 4:03 PM

keras said:
Obviously those who John saw, in Revelation 4:4, are Spiritual beings.
We are given no further details, so any speculation is fruitless.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The twenty elders said of Jesus and themselves...

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

So the 24 elders are going to come with Jesus to earth when He returns. The 24 elders are human beings in heaven, keras.

Douggg · Saturday at 4:08 PM

@keras

Revelation 19:
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

So who makes up the armies in heaven that accompany Jesus when He returns ?

keras · Saturday at 4:52 PM

Douggg said:
The 24 elders are human beings in heaven, keras.

This unsupported belief is a direct contradiction of Jesus' Words; No on goes to heaven, excepting for the One who came from heaven. John 3:13

Douggg said:
So who makes up the armies in heaven that accompany Jesus when He returns ?

Matthew 16:27 and Revelation 19:14, clearly tell us that Jesus will Return with the angel army of heaven.
Some other scriptures that say; 'with His saints', are mis- applications of the Greek word 'hagious', which refers to either human saints or angels.

The incredible, unbelievable and highly pretentious idea of being raptured to heaven, then accompanying Jesus at His glorious Return, is a lie and can never happen.
Revelation 1:7 Look; He is coming with the clouds, everyone will see Him.....

Lost4words · Saturday at 8:13 PM

2 Timothy 4:3

3 For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires,

Douggg · Saturday at 8:59 PM

keras said:
This unsupported belief is a direct contradiction of Jesus' Words; No on goes to heaven, excepting for the One who came from heaven. John 3:13

In context...
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jesus was saying up to that point in time no-one had ascended to heaven and returned to speak about the things of heaven.

After Jesus's death and resurrection, John the apostle in Revelation was called up to heaven by Jesus Himself and was told to write down everything he saw and was told. So John 3:13 does not contradict the rapture to heaven.

keras said:
Matthew 16:29 and Revelation 19:14, clearly tell us that Jesus will Return with the angel army of heaven.
Some other scriptures that say; 'with His saints', are mis- applications of the Greek word 'hagious', which refers to either human saints or angels.

There is no verse 29 in Matthew 16.

Revelation 19:14, the armies of heaven are clothed in fine linen, white and clean. In Revelation 19:7-8, the fine linen, clean and white,is the clothing of the bride of Christ. Angels are not the bride of Christ.

keras · Saturday at 10:02 PM

Lost4words said:
2 Timothy 4:3

3 For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires,

Are you implying that what I post from the Prophets, the many Prophesies that remain unfulfilled; are not 'sound doctrine'?
The teachers who suit peoples desires, are the ones that promote a rapture removal, the AMill theory and carelessness about warnings given.

concretecamper · Saturday at 10:07 PM

keras said:
Are you implying that what I post from the Prophets, the many Prophesies that remain unfulfilled; are not 'sound doctrine'?
The teachers who suit peoples desires, are the ones that promote a rapture removal, the AMill theory and carelessness about warnings given.

Maybe he's implying you have a screw loose? ^_^

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