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[Strong in Him]

Hosea says it too:

I don't care who said what.
I was making the point that you keep taking verses - or parts of verses - out of context to illustrate whatever point you want to make. And if anyone disagrees with your interpretation, then we are disagreeing with the Scriptures.

Jesus and the Apostles taught about his return. They did not mention a CME, the 6th seal, Christian believers in Athens, Rome etc needing to travel to the holy land or anything else.
They certainly didn't say, "here, when you have a bit of spare time, look at all the OT prophecies and decide which apply to the present day."

 

[keras]

I don't care who said what.

A very poor attitude.

I was making the point that you keep taking verses - or parts of verses - out of context to illustrate whatever point you want to make. And if anyone disagrees with your interpretation, then we are disagreeing with the Scriptures.

From what I see, that is just your opinion, I have yet to see any proof of my using verses out of context. It is your beliefs which are challenged and you can't handle it. Even Zechariah 5 is in the end times context, as Zech 4 ad 6 are as well.
Here is an example, a Prophecy I often use: Ezekiel 34:11-16. It tells how the Lord will gather His 'sheep' into all of the Holy Land. Also Jeremiah 23:3-4, + Jesus made it clear who His 'sheep' are. John 10:10-16
Are they not in the context of the end times? If not; when?

If people reject the idea of the Christian peoples going to live in all of the Holy Land, then they do disagree with many scriptures.
The Christian peoples ARE the Lords sheep, they ARE the Holy peoples who the 'beast' will conquer for the final 3 1/2 years of this age.

 

[Strong in Him]

A very poor attitude.

I don't mean generally, I mean in light of this discussion.
When I said, "Isaiah says this ...." I wasn't inviting you to tell me how many others say it too. I was saying that you only take random verses, or parts of verses, out of context to make a point.

Even Zechariah 5 is in the end times context, as Zech 4 ad 6 are as well.

i) It's your interpretation that Zechariah 5 is about end times.
ii) You have taken the scroll and the container from that chapter and decided that they fit a description of a nuclear bomb. You reached that conclusion because "if you ask most people what a lead-covered tube that destroys things is, they will say 'a nuclear missile'."
iii) You have decided that the country involved is Iran.
iv) Hence your interpretation - Iran is going to use nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.

Here is an example, a Prophecy I often use: Ezekiel 34:11-16. It tells how the Lord will gather His 'sheep' into all of the Holy Land. Also Jeremiah 23:3-4, + Jesus made it clear who His 'sheep' are. John 10:10-16
Are they not in the context of the end times? If not; when?

And you've just given a very good example of taking random verses out of context to find your scenario.
Your focus is "end times"; that's it. I may be wrong, but I've never seen you offer exegesis or an in depth study on the book of Zechariah, Isaiah, Hosea , Ezekiel etc. No insight as to what they tell us about God or the history of the times.
It's just a dash of Zechariah here, a little of Isaiah here; Ezekiel says this and John says something similar in this verse - all are ingredients in your end times cake.

If people reject the idea of the Christian peoples going to live in all of the Holy Land, then they do disagree with many scriptures.

OT Scriptures and that's just your opinion.
Where did Paul say, "the Lord will be returning soon so leave your country and go and live in Israel"?
The Apostles didn't talk of Christians rebuilding the Temple - many of them were dead before the Temple was destroyed.

 

[keras]

that's just your opinion.

Sad really, that so many just cannot understand Gods plans for our future.
We know from the Bible history chapters that God wanted His people to be in the Holy Land. He does not change. Malachi 3:6 Note in that verse that the children of Jacob still exist. They are the Overcomers for God. As seen in each of the seven Churchs of Revelation.

The New Testament is to build the Church.
There are many Prophesies in it too, Luke 21:25-26 tells of the forthcoming Day the Lord will reset out civilization.

 

[Strong in Him]

He does not change. Malachi 3:6

And that verse is misquoted as well.

God does not change in character, nature etc. He often changes how he acts.
For example, God told Moses to build a Tabernacle. None of the Patriarchs did that; if God spoke to them or they had a sacred experience, they built an altar/set up a stone, worshipped him and then moved on. Suddenly, God was being "carried around" so that he would be with people where they were.
Then God told Solomon to build a Temple - and the tabernacle was not heard of again, (though the ark of the covenant was.) That Temple was destroyed and another one was built, and later IT was destroyed.
Nowadays, God lives in the hearts of his children, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.
Or consider sacrifices. Many thousands of animals were being sacrificed for sin, as God commanded Moses. Then, he sent Jesus to die for us and Paul wrote that the blood of bulls and sheep cannot atone for sin.
God told Moses to tell the Hebrew slaves not to eat pork or shrimp. Yet Paul said that the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking. Mark commented that "in saying this, Jesus declared all foods to be clean."
God told people not to worship idols. Yet Paul said that an idol is nothing and if someone wants to eat meat offered to an idol, they can - as long as it does not lead other people astray.

God told the prophets that he would punish people for their sins. But some listened, e.g. Nineveh, and he didn't. Abraham pleaded for the city of Sodom who were ging to be destroyed, and he got God to agree that if there were 50, 40, 30, even 10 righteous people, the city would be saved. Sadly, there weren't even that number, but the point is that God wasn't so fixed in his plans that he wasn't prepared to change them if the circumstances were different.

God himself said to Isaiah, "see, I am doing a new thing", Isaiah 43:19. He told Jeremiah he would make a new covenant, and the book of Hebrews said that where there is a new covenant, the old one becomes obsolete and will soon disappear.
He told Ezekiel that he would put a new spirit in people.
Revelation says that there is to be a new heaven and a new earth.

 

[Strong in Him]

And that verse is misquoted as well.

I should have said that that verse is misapplied - apologies.

 

[Douggg]

I should have said that that verse is misapplied - apologies.

Simply go back and edit your post #245. Then you can delete your post #246.

I hardly ever make a post that I don't have to edit right after posting it - because of typo's, incorrect grammar, leaving out words, etc.

 

[keras]

Genesis 12:1 A righteous man called Abram was called out by God, to move into the Land, now called Israel. God promised great blessings to him.
Genesis 15:5 The Lord showed Abram the night sky, and said, “Your descendants will be as many as the stars in the sky.”
Genesis 15:18 “I give to your descendants this Land - from the Nile to the Euphrates river.”

Genesis 16:1-16 Abram and his wife Sarai were childless, so he lay with Hagar, Sarai’s servant, and she bore a son called Ishmael. The prophesy about Ishmael is: He will be like a wild ass, his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand will be against him, even his own kin.

Genesis 17:1-24 When Abram was 99, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am the Lord Almighty, live in My presence and be blameless. This is My covenant with you; I shall make you the father of many nations. I shall be your God and the God of your descendants. As a sign of this covenant, all males must be circumcised in every generation. You will have another son, to be called Isaac; he will be your heir. Ishmael, too, I will bless and a great nation will come from him.” [The Arab peoples]

Genesis 18:17-18 The Lord said, “Your new name is Abraham and a great and powerful nation will come from you. All the other nations will wish to be blessed as they are.”
Genesis 18:19 “For I have chosen you that you may instruct your family and posterity in the ways of the Lord, by doing what is right and just, so that I will fulfil for My people all that I have promised.” Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

Now it is every faithful Christian who are Abraham’s offspring. Galatians 3:26-29
WE are the inheritors of all of the Holy Land. WE will live there and be Gods witnesses and His Light to the nations.

 

[contratodo]

The Lord will return and raise Israel from the dead and place them in their land, that is what the Bible prophecies. Jeremiah 30:9, Psalm 16:10 David will be resurrected, Isaiah 26:19 Isaiah will be resurrected, Job 19:26 Job will be resurrected, all righteous Israel will be resurrected and brought into their land.
Ezekiel 37:10-12 has not happened yet.

 

[keras]

The Lord will return and raise Israel from the dead and place them in their land, that is what the Bible prophecies. Jeremiah 30:9, Psalm 16:10 David will be resurrected, Isaiah 26:19 Isaiah will be resurrected, Job 19:26 Job will be resurrected, all righteous Israel will be resurrected and brought into their land.
Ezekiel 37:10-12 has not happened yet.

You have made some fairly wild guesswork. -
The only dead people Jesus will raise when He Returns, will be the GT martyrs. Rev 20:4
The proper inheritors of the Holy Land are the faithful Christian peoples. John sees then there in Rev 7:9 In the nation of Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5
ONLY after the Millennium, will everyone who has ever lived be raised - to stand in Judgment before God, Rev 20:11-15

Ezekiel 37:10-12, is a Spiritual regeneration, which has happened to the millions who have accepted the Salvation of Jesus. Proved by verse 11, where it is the whole peoples of Israel, that is ALL of the twelve tribes, AND after Jesus came: every faithful Christian.