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Israel is mentioned in Ezekiel 38 to 39, but not Judah.
Israel in Ezekiel 38-39 is the united nation of Israel that fulfilled the prophecy of Ezekiel 37 of no longer being a northern kingdom nor southern kingdom. It does not say northern kingdom nor southern kingdom in Ezekiel 38--39, because that status is in the past.

New Zealand acknowledged and recognized back in July 28, 1950, the legitimacy of the current nation of Israel.
 
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New Zealand acknowledged and recognized back in July 28, 1950, the legitimacy of the current nation of Israel.
But God doesn't. While the Jews remain in apostasy and rejection of Jesus, their nation is false and is the fake Israel, it is Satans construction.
They will never repent of their sins and they will die for their iniquities. Isaiah 22:14

Ezekiel 37:15-28 remains unfulfilled. Proved by how the Blessings Promised have not yet happened.
 
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But God doesn't. While the Jews remain in apostasy and rejection of Jesus, their nation is false and is the fake Israel, it is Satans construction.
They will never repent of their sins and they will die for their iniquities. Isaiah 22:14

Ezekiel 37:15-28 remains unfulfilled. Proved by how the Blessings Promised have not yet happened.
What about Israeli Messianic Jews? And likewise, America is no better than the modern state of Israel. Couldn't everything you stated @keras be applicable to Americans?
Hard to believe Christianity was an once Sect of Judaism. Liberalism won for the last two millenniums the liberal school of Hallel succeeded. There are no Conservative Jews, only Orthodox Jews, Reformed Jews are Liberal and statistically are the greatest pool of converts to Christianity.
While I understand Westerners have now coined the term "Christian" let's not forget that Jesus was a Jew and nearly every author of every book in both Testaments were Jews. The first followers of Jesus, Jews, and the first churches comprised of Jews.
Replacement theology is "ugly".
 
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The two scriptures I presented, surely show that there are many who have the wrong interpretation.
You have yet to give your interpretation of end times events, Your modus operandi is to make snarky comments.
And you continue to try to align scripture to suit your own personal belief system. What you write doesn't add up at all.

And it's not snarky comments, no, it's just you hearing someone who disagrees with your own personal 'prophesies'..
 
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And you continue to try to align scripture to suit your own personal belief system. What you write doesn't add up at all.

And it's not snarky comments, no, it's just you hearing someone who disagrees with your own personal 'prophesies'..
Oh, I'm in that kind of thread :oops:
Exiting, stage right!
Thanks for the warning @Lost4words!
 
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What about Israeli Messianic Jews?
Like anybody; a Jewish true Christian believer, who call upon the Name of the Lord and trusts Him for protection, they will be saved. The saved remnant of the Jews, as shown in Isaiah 6:11-15, Isaiah 29:1-4 and Romans 9:27
Replacement theology is "ugly".
An accusation made from ignorance and to support the false 'rapture to heaven' theory.
Gods faithful believers now, are the same as from the beginning. Ethnicity has nothing to do with who is Gods peoples. The example of Ruth proves this.
 
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a Jewish true Christian believer, who call upon the Name of the Lord and trusts Him for protection, they will be saved.
I'm curious, would you mind defining "a Jewish true Christian believer" and what constitutes "trust"?
 
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Every Prophet tells us about things that must happen before that glorious Day.
You ignore them at your own risk.
You dismiss the Gospel as "milk for the masses" at yours.
The Lord does give us time periods and we do have the historical record; the Babylonian conquest of Judah was in 586BC, which enable us to correlate with Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.
It's your belief/contention that God has a 7000 year plan for mankind. Humans have, in fact, been around for longer than this.
Besides which, God is outside time and not bound by our man made calendars.
The saying; 'pre-trib', is not Biblical, just a saying of those who believe the false 'rapture to heaven' theory.
But it's a phrase used about end times.
I didn't say that it was Biblical, neither was I arguing for, or against, its usage. I used it as an example of "end times jargon" that I don't involve myself with.
If the Lord asks you to do something, would you say: Nah, get someone else?
If I believed the Lord was asking me to do something I'd pray further about it and ask a wise Christian for counsel.
There are ways of checking these things out - calls to mission or ministry should be submitted to the church for confirmation, for example, and it will be the church which commissions and sends the person to the are that God wants them.
If God wanted me to do something he'd give me the gifts, and the confirmation, to do it.

Even my wife says I should study other scriptures, which I do every Sunday via the sermon.
If you can call the Scriptures that I wrote about the cross a "preachy sermon", can call clergy who preach it as "brain washed" and dismiss them as "milk for the masses", you need to do more than look up a few Scriptures that may be used in a sermon. You need to go back to school.
If anyone dislikes what I present, then just leave this Forum. But let me say, my replies to you and others, allows me to better present what the Prophets said.
It's your interpretation of what the prophets said which is highly suspect.
You also don't seem to understand that if a prophet has said that something will happen, then it will. You show me a prophet who said, "thus saith the Lord ............. oh wait, I was confused about the Lord's timing." Or, "this is what the Lord says .................. so I made a mistake; I'm only human."
But that is what has happened in your case.
IF the prophets foretold something for 2012, did it happen? If not, was it because the prophet's words were wrong, or because your interpretation, and application, of those words was off?
I have a very good and comfortable life now. I try to live as the Lords light and salt here, after a career of multiple mission deployments and raising a family, etc.
I'm very pleased for you.
What's that got to do with correctly interpreting the words of the OT prophets, living till you're 120 and going to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple?
 
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While I understand Westerners have now coined the term "Christian" let's not forget that Jesus was a Jew and nearly every author of every book in both Testaments were Jews.
They were - but disciples were first called "Christians" in Antioch, Acts 11:26.
 
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An accusation made from ignorance and to support the false 'rapture to heaven' theory.
So you are not storing treasure in heaven ? Your heart is not in heaven. You have no desire to go there and worship before the throne of God.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 
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I'm curious, would you mind defining "a Jewish true Christian believer" and what constitutes "trust"?
I have attended a Church service at the Kingdom Church, Jaffa Road, Jerusalem. They were Christians who had accepted Jesus as their Messiah. He will save them when disaster strikes. They will take shelter underground; Isaiah 29:1-4

Trusting in the Lord for his protection, requires a strong faith during all our trials, but especially when the Lord sends His fiery wrath, in the forthcoming Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. 1 Peter 4:12
 
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You dismiss the Gospel as "milk for the masses" at yours.

It's your belief/contention that God has a 7000 year plan for mankind. Humans have, in fact, been around for longer than this.
Besides which, God is outside time and not bound by our man made calendars.

But it's a phrase used about end times.
I didn't say that it was Biblical, neither was I arguing for, or against, its usage. I used it as an example of "end times jargon" that I don't involve myself with.

If I believed the Lord was asking me to do something I'd pray further about it and ask a wise Christian for counsel.
There are ways of checking these things out - calls to mission or ministry should be submitted to the church for confirmation, for example, and it will be the church which commissions and sends the person to the are that God wants them.
If God wanted me to do something he'd give me the gifts, and the confirmation, to do it.


If you can call the Scriptures that I wrote about the cross a "preachy sermon", can call clergy who preach it as "brain washed" and dismiss them as "milk for the masses", you need to do more than look up a few Scriptures that may be used in a sermon. You need to go back to school.

It's your interpretation of what the prophets said which is highly suspect.
You also don't seem to understand that if a prophet has said that something will happen, then it will. You show me a prophet who said, "thus saith the Lord ............. oh wait, I was confused about the Lord's timing." Or, "this is what the Lord says .................. so I made a mistake; I'm only human."
But that is what has happened in your case.
IF the prophets foretold something for 2012, did it happen? If not, was it because the prophet's words were wrong, or because your interpretation, and application, of those words was off?

I'm very pleased for you.
What's that got to do with correctly interpreting the words of the OT prophets, living till you're 120 and going to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple?
Your comments are worthless: jumps to wrong conclusions and crude attempts to discredit me.
Try to make a positive contribution and tell us what you actually do believe about Bible Prophecy. You believe Jesus will Return, but the scriptural evidence shows the world situation will be very different from today.
 
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Your comments are worthless: jumps to wrong conclusions and crude attempts to discredit me.
You discredited yourself when you mangled Zechariah 5, dismissed the Gospel as "milk for the masses", and told of things that just didn't happen.

But your previous post was right about one thing; I should leave the forum. It, and you, have taught me nothing and I have lots to do for the Lord today.
 
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So you are not storing treasure in heaven ? Your heart is not in heaven. You have no desire to go there and worship before the throne of God.
You are really pathetic. I will worship before the Throne of God on earth, as Revelation 7:6-14 says.
Have you never read Matthew 16:27? Jesus will bring our rewards with Him. Expect Him to also castigate those who taught false theories.

I do not want to go to heaven, as I know our destiny as Christians, is to be the Lords peoples on earth. Daniel 7:24 and Revelation 13:7, prove it.
 
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You discredited yourself when you mangled Zechariah 5, dismissed the Gospel as "milk for the masses", and told of things that just didn't happen.

But your previous post was right about one thing; I should leave the forum. It, and you, have taught me nothing and I have lots to do for the Lord today.
Time will tell with the real meaning of Zechariah 5.

I will miss your posts, as they enable me to present the truths to the benefit of the viewers here.
 
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Time will tell with the real meaning of Zechariah 5.

I will miss your posts, as they enable me to present the truths to the benefit of the viewers here.
I rest my case...
 
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How do you explain the 24 elders that John saw while he was in heaven ?
Obviously those who John saw, in Revelation 4:4, are Spiritual beings.
We are given no further details, so any speculation is fruitless.

The scene in Revelation 7:9-14 is on earth, as shown by Rev 7:1-4.
I rest my case...
You have never told us what your case actually is.
 
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Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +
The true Israelites of God, those who come to live in the new country of Beulah, [Isaiah 62:1-5] cannot be those who are apostate or of any sort of deviant personality. But there must be many left alive in the world who will credit the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath to a natural event and continue on in their disbelief of a Creator God. They will form a One World Govt, as prophesied.

Ezekiel 20:37-38 is the best scripture that tells how the Lord will gather all His people, then judge them and those who ‘revolt and rebel’, will not enter the Land. Jeremiah 5:26-29, Isaiah 66:19b-21

Amos 9:10…the sinners of My people will die by the sword… Isaiah 65:11-12

Isaiah 35:8-10…no one unclean will travel along the ‘Way of Holiness’ into Zion.

Romans 9:24-26 You Christians are My people and in the same place as Israel was rejected, you shall be called Children of the Living God.

As we see in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, it is the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ who are present in the Land during the end time events.

Unfortunately it is evident that the new Israelites go to some extent along the same path as their ancestors and in their prosperity, begin to fall away from the true faith in the Lord as their protector and they agree to a peace treaty with the leader of the OWG. Daniel 9:27 What the Lord thinks about this is in Isaiah 28:14-20
Isaiah 28:21-22 refers to the great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.

The rest of the world’s nations will be under the One World Government, a ten region entity governed by councils each headed by a President. They will soon confer their power and authority onto one charismatic leader, Revelation 17:13

So then, unrighteous and evil people will be present on earth right up until the Return of Jesus. Then, many prophesies say how all the wicked are destroyed then.
But Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years and he will ‘seduce the nations’ for the one last time. This will sort out those who have kept their faith and those who rebel for the last earthly judgement.
For us, knowing how important it is to keep firm hold onto trusting the Lord for our protection during the forthcoming traumatic times ahead, it is a matter of life or death- Life eternal with Jesus or Death; eventual total annihilation.
 
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