The Sabbath, Worship and the End Time

Jan001 · 2026-01-22T20:39:56-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
This is Paul speaking, not God. While Paul was an inspired apostle of God, he is not God. God already spoke His will plainly and wrote it out- do you not believe God is capable of speaking for Himself? The Creator of everything Exo20:11 Rev14:7

2Thes2:15 Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

The word first day or sunday is not in this Text at all. The only way to make your statement is by adding to God’s holy word. If you can’t see this than we cannot reason togerther. God told us not to add anything to His word- if thats what Paul meant, he would have stated it. But than he would have contradict Jesus Christ plain teachings Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 and himself Col2:8 1Cor7:19 hence the stern warning we have about Paul and twisting things that are clearly not in the Text.

1 Corinthians 14:37
Anyone who claims to be a prophet or to have spiritual powers must recognize that what I am writing to you is a commandment of the Lord.

It seems to me that you add to the holy word of God constantly. You add to it by your own interpretations, which do not agree with the actual historical record. The historical documents show clearly that the early Christians worshiped on Sunday, the first day of the week. They called Sunday the Lord's day.

Revelation 1:10
On the Lord’s day, I was caught up in the spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like the sound of a trumpet,

You may believe whatever you want to believe, but you will not convince many people to join you in your beliefs. Christians have been publicly worshiping God on Sunday, the Lord's day, since Jesus Christ rose from the dead and commanded them to do this.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T05:03:20-0600

Jan001 said:
1 Corinthians 14:37
Anyone who claims to be a prophet or to have spiritual powers must recognize that what I am writing to you is a commandment of the Lord.

It seems to me that you add to the holy word of God constantly. You add to it by your own interpretations, which do not agree with the actual historical record. The historical documents show clearly that the early Christians worshiped on Sunday, the first day of the week. They called Sunday the Lord's day.

Revelation 1:10
On the Lord’s day, I was caught up in the spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like the sound of a trumpet,

You may believe whatever you want to believe, but you will not convince many people to join you in your beliefs. Christians have been publicly worshiping God on Sunday, the Lord's day, since Jesus Christ rose from the dead and commanded them to do this.

No matter how many times you quote Rev1:10 it still does not say ‘day one.’

Only a false prophet speaks for God and than says the opposite of what God said. Isa8:20

God is capable of speaking for Himself and said not to speak for Him.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord
Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Mal 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change;

We know how one tried to change God’s times and laws Dan7:25 (but was not successful Isa 66:23 for those faithful to what God said Mat4:4 Rev14:12 Rev22:14)

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.
—Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

Jan001 · 2026-01-23T10:33:23-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

This is because Jesus told them to do this. Jesus never wrote his gospel on papyrus or vellum. This commandment is part of the oral tradition of the church. Jesus personally commanded them to do this.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours

SabbathBlessings said:
... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

This is because Jesus Christ commanded them to do this.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

SabbathBlessings said:
Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.
—Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900

This is because Catholics believe the whole Bible. They do not believe in Scripture alone. They obeyed all the oral commandments that Jesus gave them.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

SabbathBlessings said:
Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

Yes, the Catholic Church's leaders were commanded by Jesus to publicly worship on Sundays. They used their God-given authority to teach exactly what Jesus commanded them to teach. Obviously, Jesus did not command them to write this commandment in a letter. Every first-century Christian was told to meet with their local priests for public worship on Sundays. There wasn't any need for this command to be written a letter.

The NT Bible canon wasn't finalized until about the late fourth century. It wasn't until the 1500s AD that people could afford Bibles. The printing press wasn't invented until then. The early Christians learned their religion from their local priests.

Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Matthew 18:18
“Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Seriously, Sunday worship is not that difficult to understand. For 2000 years, Christians have been publicly worshiping God on Sundays because Jesus commanded the leaders of his church to do this.

It wasn't until the 1500s that people could buy a mass-produced Bible and interpret it for themselves according to their own biases. Since then, many people such as yourself ignore the following because they believe the in the erroneous doctrine of "Scripture alone":

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, stand firm, brethren, and hold fast to the traditions that you have been taught, whether by word of mouth or by a letter of ours.

Jan001 · 2026-01-23T10:59:43-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
No matter how many times you quote Rev1:10 it still does not say ‘day one.’

Every first-century Christian knew that the Lord's day was Sunday, the first day of the week.

Justin Martyr FIRST APOLOGY, circa 153-155 A.D., CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things,

The Sabbath was given only to the Israelites/Jews and to the converts to Judaism.

Exodus 31:13 “Say to the people of Israel, ‘You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.

I am not an Israelite/Jew. I am a Christian. I do not practice Judaism. I am not bound by the laws that God gave to the Israelites/Jews before his son Jesus Christ's New Covenant sacrificial death on the cross, which made the Israelites' first covenant laws obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13

SabbathBlessings said:
Only a false prophet speaks for God and than says the opposite of what God said. Isa8:20

2 Peter 3:15-17
Think of our Lord’s patience as your opportunity to be saved; our beloved brother Paul told you this when he wrote to you with the wisdom that was given to him, 16 speaking of it in all his letters. In them, there are some things that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and the unstable distort in the same way that they distort the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 Therefore, beloved, you have been forewarned about this. Take care that you are not led astray by the errors of unprincipled people and thus lose your secure position.

Matthew 7:1-2
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Adios!

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T11:09:55-0600

Jan001 said:
Every first-century Christian knew that the Lord's day was Sunday, the first day of the week.

Justin Martyr FIRST APOLOGY, circa 153-155 A.D., CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things,

The Sabbath was given only to the Israelites/Jews and to the converts to Judaism.

Exodus 31:13 “Say to the people of Israel, ‘You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.

I am not an Israelite/Jew. I am a Christian. I do not practice Judaism. I am not bound by the laws that God gave to the Israelites/Jews before his son Jesus Christ's New Covenant sacrificial death on the cross, which made the Israelites' first covenant laws obsolete.
Hebrews 8:13

2 Peter 3:15-17
Think of our Lord’s patience as your opportunity to be saved; our beloved brother Paul told you this when he wrote to you with the wisdom that was given to him, 16 speaking of it in all his letters. In them, there are some things that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and the unstable distort in the same way that they distort the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 Therefore, beloved, you have been forewarned about this. Take care that you are not led astray by the errors of unprincipled people and thus lose your secure position.

Matthew 7:1-2
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Adios!

Justin Martyr is not God, nor is it inspired Scripture. You have not addressed what God actually says. Not sure why that is not what we look to, God the Creator, instead of what man says, the creation. But I guess its all about decisions, which voice one will submit to and serve. Heb3:7-19

Be well.

BNR32FAN · 2026-01-23T12:09:11-0600

Studyman said:
How is it then, that there are men who come in Christ's Name, who judge some of His Words as "completely irrelevant"?

God created the animals to be food for man, but He didn’t give them to man to be eaten until after the flood. So when something is created or established is irrelevant to when it is actually given to us.

Hentenza · 2026-01-23T12:40:21-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Justin Martyr is not God, nor is it inspired Scripture. You have not addressed what God actually says.

Actually he did address your interpretation of what God said. Secondly Justin Martyr is entitled to his interpretation of the word of God just as you are. You follow the teachers of your church even though they are not God or inspired scripture. The hypocrisy is palpable.

Studyman · 2026-01-23T13:22:15-0600

BNR32FAN said:
God created the animals to be food for man, but He didn’t give them to man to be eaten until after the flood. So when something is created or established is irrelevant to when it is actually given to us.

I see the point you are trying to make. But according to what is written, it seems clear that God "Established" His Holy Sabbath at creation, and this Biblical Fact was mentioned when God re-introduced to Abraham Children the Judgments, Statutes, Commandments and Laws that Abraham obeyed. There is no evidence that God's Sabbath Day was not Holy, not sanctified or not set apart before Abrahams children had lost sight of God's Statutes, commandments, Judgments and Laws in Egypt, God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments Abraham was blessed for obeying.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T14:16:14-0600

Hentenza said:
Actually he did address your interpretation of what God said.

Thanks for chiming in. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Hentenza said:
Secondly Justin Martyr is entitled to his interpretation of the word of God just as you are.

Yes, but he is not God or inspired Scripture. You're free to believe him over God's expressed will both written and spoken by God Exo20:8-11 Isa 58:13 Mark2:28 Exo31:18 , I choose not to. I will never believe anyone who speaks over God. God is capable of speaking for Himself and plainly asked us not to add to or change anything, we of course can always choose to do something different. .

Hentenza · 2026-01-23T14:19:16-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Yes, but he is not God or inspired Scripture.

And neither are you. So when you talk about what the word of God says in reality it is your interpretation that you are referring to.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T14:20:49-0600

Hentenza said:
And neither are you. So when you talk about what the word of God says in reality it is your interpretation that you are referring to.

No neither of us are which is why I choose not to speak over God. or assign something to God He never assigned for Himself. This is telling God that He doesn;t know what He is talking about and we know better He. This is something His created-being did that rebelled and caused this whole mess.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord
Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
Mark2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Mal 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change;

Hentenza · 2026-01-23T14:28:32-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
No neither of us are which is why I choose not to speak over God. or assign something to God He never assigned for Himself.

But God said that the law was being given to Israel but you say that God did not say that. God said that the old covenant is finished and then God said that the new covenant with the church was in blood and God said that the law has been fulfilled (completed). Then God said that He was the Lord of the sabbath and to come to Him and He would give us rest. So why don’t you listen to God?

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T14:32:25-0600

Hentenza said:
But God said that the law was being given to Israel but you say that God did not say that. God said that the old covenant is finished and then God said that the new covenant with the church was in blood and God said that the law has been fulfilled (completed). Then God said that He was the Lord of the sabbath and to come to Him and He would give us rest. So why don’t you listen to God?

God claimed this as His, not Israel. He gives it to all of God's people, because that's what God's people do, hear His voice, allow Him to speak for Himself and obey and follow in His footsteps. A Christian is a follower of Christ. Jesus kept the Sabbath, a Christian is a Sabbath-keeper made in His image to follow and do what He asks, not something different.

God never called His Sabbath the Sabbath of the Jews- He claimed it as His own, the Sabbath of the LORD, the holy day of the LORD, made for man, not Jew Mark2:27. He never said this about any other day, He never sactified any other day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, not any other day. I am sticking with what He said, but we have free will.

BNR32FAN · 2026-01-23T14:38:10-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Justin Martyr is not God, nor is it inspired Scripture. You have not addressed what God actually says. Not sure why that is not what we look to, God the Creator, instead of what man says, the creation. But I guess its all about decisions, which voice one will submit to and serve. Heb3:7-19

Be well.

You’re not sure why we look to the writings of the first and second century theologians to get a better idea of how the scriptures were interpreted in the early church? I’d say their writings hold WAY MORE WEIGHT than a 19th century false prophet.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T14:40:20-0600

BNR32FAN said:
You’re not sure why we look to the writings of the first and second century theologians to get a better idea of how the scriptures were interpreted in the early church? I’d say their writings hold WAY MORE WEIGHT than a 19th century false prophet.

Thats your opinion. She points back to what God said not against what God said Exo20:8-9 Isa8:20

Just like those who came before us when everyone went away from what God said He would raise up a messenger to get people back to what He said, but not everyone heard and it caused their destruction. God does not change.

2 Chr 33:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

You might want to read up on the rules of the forum as well.

Hentenza · 2026-01-23T14:51:43-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
God claimed this as His, not Israel. He gives it to all of God's people, because that's what God's people do, hear His voice, allow Him to speak for Himself and obey and follow in His footsteps.

God’s people at the time of Exodus was Israel. The law was given to Israel at Mt. Sinai.

“And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “This is what you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭19‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 19:3 (NASB2020) - And Moses went up to God, and the L | YouVersion

And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, “This is what you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel

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“Then God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 20:2 (NASB2020) - “I am the LORD your God, who brough | YouVersion

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

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Nowhere here is God giving the law to anyone else. So God’s people then heard God’s voice.

SabbathBlessings said:
A Christian is a follower of Christ. Jesus kept the Sabbath, a Christian is a Sabbath-keeper made in His image to follow and do what He asks, not something different.

Jesus kept the sabbath because He was Jewish and He came to fulfill the law perfectly. Notice that after the resurrection as Jesus appeared to over 500 people for 40 days never appeared on a sabbath or to those the the temple on a sabbath. The Christian is not a sabbath keeper because the 4th commandment is not part of the new covenant and Jesus is now our rest. Only those under the law keep the sabbath although anyone can CHOOSE to rest on Saturday. The vast majority of Christians celebrate the resurrection of Christ on Sunday.

SabbathBlessings said:
God never called His Sabbath the Sabbath of the Jews- He claimed it as His own, the Sabbath of the LORD, the holy day of the LORD,

Which the Lord changed when the old covenant was completed.

SabbathBlessings said:
made for man, not Jew Mark2:27.

Therefore, Jesus is Lord of even the sabbath.

SabbathBlessings said:
He never said this about any other day, He never sactified any other day.

He doesn’t have to. The terms in the new covenant does not require it.

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, not any other day.

Exactly.

SabbathBlessings said:
I am sticking with what He said, but we have free will.

But you are not sticking by what He said. You are stubbornly sticking to your interpretation which is not shared by most Christians.

BNR32FAN · 2026-01-23T14:53:04-0600

Studyman said:
Didn't Paul teach us that the Holy Scriptures, as they existed in his time, were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." Didn't the Word of God who was with God and was God command Abraham to "Be Perfect"? And didn't this same Word of God after becoming flesh and blood and dwelled among men, teach the same Words to me that HE spoke to Abraham who saw His Day and was glad?

Didn't the Jesus of the Bible teach, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."? Wasn't HE the VERY Word of God that Inspired His Words to be written ""for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."?

Isn't this same Jesus the same Word of God who became flesh, that " blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made"?

How is it then, that there are men who come in Christ's Name, who judge some of His Words as "completely irrelevant"?

And wouldn't the Christ know, when HE created, sanctified and made His Sabbath Holy, what day HE would rise from the dead?

Men are free to believe as they please, but it seems unwise to judge God's Word in such a way, when HE specifically addressed, sanctified and separated the day HE Esteemed above the others days, of a 7 day week HE had just created, and Inspired it to written specifically for me, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

All this begs the question, "who should we listen to", given the context of the rest of the Holy Scriptures?

I would agree with this analogy. The Word of God wouldn't be very beneficial, it seems, to a person who didn't have it, nor would it be profitable for those who had them but didn't believe enough to Live by them.

Interesting discussion.

Ok “Study” man quote a passage of scripture that gives any indication whatsoever that anyone was commanded to observe the sabbath, kept the sabbath, was rebuked for not keeping the sabbath or ANYTHING AT ALL CONCERNING ANYONE AND THE SABBATH between Genesis 2 and Exodus 16. The only passage you have is Mark2:27 taken out of context of the discussion when Jesus was asked why His disciples were breaking the sabbath. Jesus’ reply was telling them WHY the sabbath was made, NOT WHEN it was made. He said the sabbath was made for man, He doesn’t say for all man or all mankind or even Adam, because He knew that it wasn’t GIVEN TO MAN until AFTER the Israelites left Egypt. And we know this because of Ezekiel 20:12-13 and Nehemiah 9:13-14.

“So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. I gave them My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭20‬:‭10‬-‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So according to this were they given the sabbath BEFORE they left Egypt?

“Then You came down on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, And laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses.”
‭‭Nehemiah‬ ‭9‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

According to this did they KNOW about the sabbath BEFORE they left Egypt?

BNR32FAN · 2026-01-23T14:59:41-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Thats your opinion. She points back to what God said not against what God said Exo20:8-9 Isa8:20

Just like those who came before us when everyone went away from what God said He would raise up a messenger to get people back to what He said, but not everyone heard and it caused their destruction. God does not change.

2 Chr 33:16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

You might want to read up on the rules of the forum as well.

Lol it doesn’t matter if she points to the scriptures but is dead wrong about them. Look at her quote of Isaiah 56

“The Lord here declares that the sons of the stranger who join themselves to Him… every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it… even them will I bring to My holy mountain.”

(Prophets and Kings, ch. 31 — paraphrasing Isaiah 56:6–7)

I wonder why she only mentioned HALF OF VERSE 7? Maybe you can explain that?

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T15:08:11-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Lol it doesn’t matter if she points to the scriptures but is dead wrong about them. Look at her quote of Isaiah 56

“The Lord here declares that the sons of the stranger who join themselves to Him… every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it… even them will I bring to My holy mountain.”

(Prophets and Kings, ch. 31 — paraphrasing Isaiah 56:6–7)

I wonder why she only mentioned HALF OF VERSE 7? Maybe you can explain that?

It doesn;t change anything on the context of those verses. When we look to find fault we will find it. This is not the spirit I want to subject myself to. I will never look for ways to find something that disagrees with God's written and spoken Testimony. If you feel there is someone greater, like Justin or whomever, by all means follow them. We all have choices just as those who came before us.

Josh 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 God came down from heaven to write out His will and Testimony Psa40:8 Exo31:18. As far as I know, there is no one greater than He. The God who made everything Exo20:11 the God we are told to worship Rev 14:7 its all about choices.

SabbathBlessings · 2026-01-23T15:10:37-0600

Hentenza said:
God’s people at the time of Exodus was Israel. The law was given to Israel at Mt. Sinai.

“And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “This is what you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel:”
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And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, “This is what you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel

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“Then God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.”
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“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

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Nowhere here is God giving the law to anyone else. So God’s people then heard God’s voice.

Jesus kept the sabbath because He was Jewish and He came to fulfill the law perfectly. Notice that after the resurrection as Jesus appeared to over 500 people for 40 days never appeared on a sabbath or to those the the temple on a sabbath. The Christian is not a sabbath keeper because the 4th commandment is not part of the new covenant and Jesus is now our rest. Only those under the law keep the sabbath although anyone can CHOOSE to rest on Saturday. The vast majority of Christians celebrate the resurrection of Christ on Sunday.

Which the Lord changed when the old covenant was completed.

Therefore, Jesus is Lord of even the sabbath.

He doesn’t have to. The terms in the new covenant does not require it.

Exactly.

But you are not sticking by what He said. You are stubbornly sticking to your interpretation which is not shared by most Christians.

That's right God rescued His son from Egypt, Exo4:22 Hos11:1 which represents bondage and sin, the same thing He does with us if we hear His voice and submit to Him, Sadly many choose another one instead.

None of your Scriptures say, God deemed any other day as His holy day. God said He does not change, I choose to believe Him.

I am not going down this road with you again, you can have the last word. Take care.

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