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The Sabbath, Worship and the End Time

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He doesn't say thats when the Sabbath started, God said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11 made for mankind Mark2:27

He made the Sabbath as a covenant sign after Egypt, after He rescued them. He never said thats when it was first given, you are reading that into the Scriptures

The Sabbath was a sign that God was their Redeemer and rescued them from the bondage of sin- Egypt Exo31:17
The Sabbath is a sign of God’s sanctification Eze20:12
The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Eze20:20

But instead of accepting this from God, and hearing God’s words, many choose to rebel Eze20:13 and it cost them their promise land Eze20:15-16- and this experience was related to us, for us not to follow in their same path of disobedience Heb 4:6 Eze 20:13 Heb4:11 as we have to enter into our promised land Rev22:14

They were keeping the Sabbath in Egypt Exo5:5 the Bible is not written in strict chronological order, and trying to make it so, will come to many wrong conclusions.

God in His own written Testimony said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11 made for mankind Mark 2:27. Mankind was not made in Egypt, God blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it at Creation, it was so important to Him, He made it part of His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments Deut4:13 the only law that sits under the mercy seat of God. I personally would not want to remove a jot or tittle from God’s law on what He covers with His mercy Exo20:6 but we have free will.

The Sabbath comes with so many promises and blessings, its a sign of God our Redeemer, a sign of God’s sanctification Eze20:12 and sign that He is our God Eze20:20 and we are His people and comes with His blessings Isa 56:2 how we join ourelves to Him and serve Him and be part of His nations of people Isa 56:6-7 Isa66:23. God said Remember for a reason, the Sabbath points to God our Creator Exo20:11 the only God we are to worship Rev 14:7 but God has always given people free will to hear Him and follow Him and His example or do something different, just like many of the Israelites in their trial.
Wow you’re so desperate grasping at straws that you’re going to say that this verse is referring to the sabbath?

“Again Pharaoh said, “Look, the people of the land are now many, and you would have them cease from their labors!””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭5‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Absolutely incredible
 
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They were keeping the Sabbath in Egypt Exo5:5 the Bible is not written in strict chronological order, and trying to make it so, will come to many wrong conclusions.
When God says then I took them out of Egypt and gave them My ordinances and statutes and I gave them My sabbath that’s pretty much dealing the deal on when that took place.
 
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God in His own written Testimony said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11 made for mankind Mark 2:27. Mankind was not made in Egypt, God blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it at Creation, it was so important to Him, He made it part of His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 the Ten Commandments Deut4:13 the only law that sits under the mercy seat of God. I personally would not want to remove a jot or tittle from God’s law on what He covers with His mercy Exo20:6 but we have free will.
No, that’s Ellen White stuck in your head that’s NOT what God said at all.
 
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Wow you’re so desperate grasping at straws that you’re going to say that this verse is referring to the sabbath?

“Again Pharaoh said, “Look, the people of the land are now many, and you would have them cease from their labors!””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭5‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Absolutely incredible
The word rest in this verse
שָׁבַת shâbath, shaw-bath'; a primitive root; to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific):—(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The Hebrew root שָׁבַת (shâbath) is the same root as Sabbath (שַׁבָּת).

The Sabbath is not grasping at straws, it’s grounded in Christ Exo20:11 Eze20:12 Eze20:20 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:6 Isa 66:23 Exo20:8-11. God asked us to Remember, another voice is telling us to forget. God said to keep the Sabbath day holy, another voice is telling us to profane it. I guess it’s a matter of which voice one will listen to and serve.
 
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When God says then I took them out of Egypt and gave them My ordinances and statutes and I gave them My sabbath that’s pretty much dealing the deal on when that took place.
Addressed to many times to count. That’s Nehemiah reviewing history, he doesn’t say thats when it first started, it’s a figure of speech, Nehemiah was not speaking over God. God instituted the Sabbath at Creation, thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 why we see the Sabbath being kept before Mt SInai.

Believe as you wish, we are at an impasse, I guess God will sort this out at His time.
 
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The word rest in this verse
שָׁבַת shâbath, shaw-bath'; a primitive root; to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific):—(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

The Hebrew root שָׁבַת (shâbath) is the same root as Sabbath (שַׁבָּת).

The Sabbath is not grasping at straws, it’s grounded in Christ Exo20:11 Eze20:12 Eze20:20 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:6 Isa 66:23 Exo20:8-11. God asked us to Remember, another voice is telling us to forget. God said to keep the Sabbath day holy, another voice is telling us to profane it. I guess it’s a matter of which voice one will listen to and serve.
But in the context Moses was asking Pharaoh to let the Israelites go into the wilderness for 3 days to offer sacrifices. There’s no mention of the sabbath you’re just trying to shoehorn it into the passage much like Roman Catholics do with purgatory every time a fire is mentioned in a passage.
 
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No, thats God’s written Testimony Exo31:18, not EGW.
Yeah just ignore the fact that in their disobedience before the exodus God doesn’t mention them not keeping the sabbath, that only becomes a problem after their exodus after He gave them the sabbath but you’ll completely ignore that because of what Ellen G White said, not because of what the scriptures say.
 
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Addressed to many times to count. That’s Nehemiah reviewing history, he doesn’t say thats when it first started, it’s a figure of speech, Nehemiah was not speaking over God. God instituted the Sabbath at Creation, thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 why we see the Sabbath being kept before Mt SInai.

Believe as you wish, we are at an impasse, I guess God will sort this out at His time.
He MADE KNOWN TO THEM, obviously this means that they didn’t know about it previously.
 
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But in the context Moses was asking Pharaoh to let the Israelites go into the wilderness for 3 days to offer sacrifices. There’s no mention of the sabbath you’re just trying to shoehorn it into the passage much like Roman Catholics do with purgatory every time a fire is mentioned in a passage.
I already showed you what the word means, and yes in the context it does make sense one of the reasons why Pharoah was opposed to it.

Exo 5:4 Then the king of Egypt said to them, “Moses and Aaron, why do you take the people from their work? Get back to your labor.” 5 And Pharaoh said, “Look, the people of the land are many now, and you make them rest from their labor!”

Did they rest from their labor everyday, of course not, what is God's continued system for rest clearly laid out from creation....

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

If Moses was going to make them rest from their labors it would be consistent to what God says. Why the root means Sabbath in this verse.
 
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He MADE KNOWN TO THEM, obviously this means that they didn’t know about it previously.
They were made known about the Sabbath before Mt Sinai as shown by Scripture, so obviously your interpretation of what this means does not match to actual historical events.
 
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I’m still not the one making an argument from silence but if you must have one @BNR32FAN posted one in his post 334.

Which would be a straw man.

Did I confess to such a thing? Please post my words.

Which is? We are not going back to your debunked earliest list are we?

Awww theological drama. As if anyone said that.

Do you have free will to stop sinning? Did Pharaoh had free will to choose to follow God?

Now you read minds too?

And yet Paul teaches in Rom. 8 that there is no condemnation for those in Christ. Do you know why Paul teaches that?

Does it now? Is Cain’s sin a moral sin or a ceremonial sin?

Job 1:5, 2:9.

Awww

And didn’t keep the sabbath either even though he walked with God. God must have forgotten to tell him or Noah or Abraham or anyone before Moses about the sabbath.

lol sure is.
I’m guessing that brother Bob’s silence is an indication that he can’t find anymore commandments from the Decalogue that aren’t mentioned before Exodus 20, except of course the 4th commandment.
 
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Yeah just ignore the fact that in their disobedience before the exodus God doesn’t mention them not keeping the sabbath, that only becomes a problem after their exodus after He gave them the sabbath but you’ll completely ignore that because of what Ellen G White said, not because of what the scriptures say.
They disobeyed more than the Sabbath but God singled out as the specific reason why they could not enter the promised land was over breaking the Sabbath. The bible doesn;t have to repeat itself and define everything in every sentence and in every chapter, that's not how the bible works. It will interpret itself if we allow it to. The Bible is not written in chronological order.

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

This was their goal to inherit the promise land and they did not enter due to rebellion Eze20:13 which God related explicitly to profaning God's Sabbath.

We are warned of this same experience to enter into our promise land.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,

9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

The Bible is very plain on this but we have free will, just as those who came before us.
 
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They were made known about the Sabbath before Mt Sinai as shown by Scripture, so obviously your interpretation of what this means does not match to actual historical events.
Like I said exodus 16 wasn’t the same commandment, they weren’t told not to do any work they were only given instructions on collecting manna.
 
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I’m guessing that brother Bob’s silence is an indication that he can’t find anymore commandments from the Decalogue that aren’t mentioned before Exodus 30, except of course the 4th commandment.
He doesn;t post here everyday.
 
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Like I said exodus 16 wasn’t the same commandment, they weren’t told not to do any work they were only given instructions on collecting manna.
Well Jesus said it was and that's where my faith lies. The Sabbath is not collecting or not collecting manna. There are not two different seventh day Sabbaths in Scriptures Exo16:26, just one and its one of God's commandments, that God blessed and sanctified from Creation thus saith the Lord.
 
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They disobeyed more than the Sabbath but God singled out as the specific reason why they could not enter the promised land was over breaking the Sabbath. The bible doesn;t have to repeat itself and define everything in every sentence and in every chapter, that's not how the bible works. It will interpret itself if we allow it to. The Bible is not written in chronological order.
You’re quoting Exodus 20 which was after their exodus and after the sabbath commandment had been given. I’m talking about before the exodus when God rebuked them for their disobedience and worshipping idols. He doesn’t mention anything about them not keeping the sabbath because it hadn’t been given to them yet.
 
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You’re quoting Exodus 20 which was after their exodus and after the sabbath commandment had been given. I’m talking about before the exodus when God rebuked them for their disobedience and worshipping idols. He doesn’t mention anything about them not keeping the sabbath because it hadn’t been given to them yet.
God said when the Sabbath started Exo20:11 Jesus said who He made it for. Mark2:27 Isa56:6

The bible doesn;t show Abraham not stealing from his neighbor, does that mean he did so. The Bible says he was faithful and obeyed and kept God's commandments Gen26:5 which includes so, as does the Sabbath all what God defined Himself as His commandments Exo20:6 Deut4:13. We can come up with all kinds of creative things if we want to, but its inserting our will in Scriptures instead of allowing God to define things, regardless when He chooses to reveal so in Scriptures. If everything was laid out perfectly there would be no room for faith.

I think we have covered everything, we obviously are not going to agree. Its time I move along.
 
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Not the one He quotes in Matt 22 and Matt 19

Love your neighbor as yourself Lev 19:18
Love God with all your heart Deut 6:5
Then, according to your post, Jesus told a lie?????

John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jn15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
 
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Not the one He quotes in Matt 22 and Matt 19

Love your neighbor as yourself Lev 19:18
Love God with all your heart Deut 6:5
Then, according to your post, Jesus told a lie?????
Nope He quotes Lev 19 and Deut 6 perfectly.

Read Matt 22.
John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
As in "Love your neighbor as yourself"
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
yep... sounds like "Love your neighbor as yourself"
Jn15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Yep. sounds like "Love your neighbor as yourself".

More harmony in scripture than you appear to have assumed at first.
 
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