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The Sabbath, Worship and the End Time

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No because your interpretation of that verse contradicts Nehemiah 9:13-14 that specifically says that God made the sabbath known to them and Ezekiel 20:12 says that God gave them the sabbath both of which took place after the Israelites left Egypt. Which means they didn’t previously know about it. You’re saying they already knew about it when no passage in scripture says that. Your interpretation of Mark 2:27 is contradicting Nehemiah 9:13-14.
No it doesn't. Again, slaves in Egypt...Again, Shabbat was NOT created at Sinai. Actually Ezekiel 20:12 proves my point!
 
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Where does it say the sabbath was GIVEN at creation? You know that’s a lie. If it was given at creation God wouldn’t have give it to the Israelites and make it known to them thru Moses. You’re extrapolating what Jesus said in Mark 2:27. His point wasn’t about when the sabbath was made it was why the sabbath was made, for what purpose was the sabbath made. That’s what fits the discussion that was talking place when the Pharisees accused His disciples of breaking it. You can’t get around the fact that both Nehemiah and Ezekiel both say that the Israelites did not know about the sabbath before their exodus from Egypt.
LOL no it is not a lie! Have you never read Bereshit? Genesis. IT WAS GIVEN AS A SIGN AT SINAI! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT THIS TO YOU????? AGAIN, it was made for MAN. He did not specifically say is was made for JEWS, did he... OY VEY!
 
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No it doesn't. Again, slaves in Egypt...Again, Shabbat was NOT created at Sinai. Actually Ezekiel 20:12 proves my point!
What does them being slaves in Egypt have to do with them not knowing about the sabbath? Were they not circumcised? Didn’t Abraham keep God’s commandments? So how did the commandment to be circumcised get passed on but not the commandment to observe the sabbath?
 
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LOL no it is not a lie! Have you never read Bereshit? Genesis. IT WAS GIVEN AS A SIGN AT SINAI! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT THIS TO YOU????? AGAIN, it was made for MAN. He did not specifically say is was made for JEWS, did he... OY VEY!
So you’re saying that they already knew about the sabbath before their exodus? Nehemiah said they didn’t know about it. How can God make it known to them if they already knew about it and why is God testing them to see whether or not they will keep it if they were already supposed to be keeping it?
 
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Shabbat was given on the 7th day OF CREATION. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? You are starting to sound like that Hentenza person lol. I blocked them for being a broken record, do I need to block you too? Hentenza kept repeating no one gave them evidence when that was not true. They just did not like or accept it because it proved their narrative wrong. Yet they kept repeating it over and over and over thinking by repeating it again and again it would somehow be true LOL! At that point there is no longer a discussion.
Actually the repeating record was you and until now you have not posted a cohesive argument. As I stated before opinion is not evidence.
 
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What does them being slaves in Egypt have to do with them not knowing about the sabbath? Were they not circumcised? Didn’t Abraham keep God’s commandments? So how did the commandment to be circumcised get passed on but not the commandment to observe the sabbath?
The question is was work done as slaves on the Sabbath? Yes? There is your answer. No? There is your answer..
 
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So you’re saying that they already knew about the sabbath before their exodus? Nehemiah said they didn’t know about it. How can God make it known to them if they already knew about it and why is God testing them to see whether or not they will keep it if they were already supposed to be keeping it?
Did I say that? I said they were slaves in Egypt. For 400 years! How many generations is that? Did the Egyptians keep the Sabbath? No? So then what about the Hebrews? No? Did Moshe know he was a Hebrew or did he think he was an Egyptian?
 
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LOL no it is not a lie! Have you never read Bereshit? Genesis. IT WAS GIVEN AS A SIGN AT SINAI! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT THIS TO YOU????? AGAIN, it was made for MAN. He did not specifically say is was made for JEWS, did he... OY VEY!
Ok I have another question, what were the animals made for? They were made at creation yet man wasn’t allowed to eat them until Noah.
 
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Ok I have another question, what were the animals made for? They were made at creation yet man wasn’t allowed to eat them until Noah.
Abel was a shepherd....Noah was allowed to eat EVERY moving thing that lives (clean and unclean)...likely because he saved all animals. Can't eat blood though. Wow that was before Sinai! Noahide Torah! I don't see the relevance of your logic (or lack thereof) and how this relates to the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not created at Sinai. It was given as a SIGN at Sinai. And as SabbathBlessings said, and I have multiple times before, the Sabbath was practiced before ever setting foot at Sinai...(Exodus 16:23)
 
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Abel was a shepherd....Noah was allowed to eat EVERY moving thing that lives (clean and unclean)...likely because he saved all animals. Can't eat blood though. Wow that was before Sinai! Noahide Torah! I don't see the relevance of your logic (or lack thereof) and how this relates to the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not created at Sinai. It was given as a SIGN at Sinai. And as SabbathBlessings said, and I have multiple times before, the Sabbath was practiced before ever setting foot at Sinai...(Exodus 16:23)
What verse did you read that told you that Noah was allowed to eat everything that moves? Was it this verse?

“Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Why is God telling Noah that he can eat everything that moves as I gave the green plant if Noah was allowed to eat animals before the flood? The last dietary law that God gave before this was the first dietary law that He gave to Adam & Eve.

“Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭29‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Yeah Able was a shepherd, they were offering animal sacrifices. It just makes sense to keep flocks to have them around for offering sacrifices, but that doesn’t change what God said to Adam & Eve or Noah about what they were permitted to eat at that time.

So animals were made for man to eat but they were not allowed to eat them at creation so just because God created something for man at creation doesn’t mandate that it was given to them at creation.
 
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What verse did you read that told you that Noah was allowed to eat everything that moves? Was it this verse?

“Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Why is God telling Noah that he can eat everything that moves as I gave the green plant if Noah was allowed to eat animals before the flood? The last dietary law that God gave before this was the first dietary law that He gave to Adam & Eve.

“Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭29‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Yeah Able was a shepherd, they were offering animal sacrifices. It just makes sense to keep flocks to have them around for offering sacrifices, but that doesn’t change what God said to Adam & Eve or Noah about what they were permitted to eat at that time.

So animals were made for man to eat but they were not allowed to eat them at creation so just because God created something for man at creation doesn’t mandate that it was given to them at creation.
Jesus never said the animals were made for mankind to eat.

Jesus did say the Sabbath was made for mankind. Mark2:27 and both mankind and the Sabbath was made at Creation. Gen1:26 Gen 2:1-3 Exo20:11

It was never God's will that animals be eaten, that was a result of sin and there is a reason God had 7 clean animal enter the ark and only 2 for the unclean. There would be no more vegetation left after the flood.
 
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The question is was work done as slaves on the Sabbath? Yes? There is your answer. No? There is your answer..
Not knowing something and not being allowed to do it are two completely different things. They were only slaves for one generation, it’s not as if this was going on for thousands of years.
 
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Jesus never said the animals were made for mankind to eat.

Jesus did say the Sabbath was made for mankind. Mark2:27 and both mankind and the Sabbath was made at Creation.
But God did, are you going to refute that?
 
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But God did, are you going to refute that?
Jesus is referring back to Creation when mankind Gen1:26 and the Sabbath Mark2:27 Exo20:11 and was made. At Creation before the fall, it doesn't say animals was made to be eaten at Creation. This was only a result of sin.

The Sabbath was part of Creation as were animals, not meant to be food, but as companions.

When God restores the New Heaven and New Earth no one will be killing animals for food and those saved will also be continuing Sabbath worship.

God's will does not change. Sin resulted in a lot of things that was never the will of God. God will restore things back to His perfect will soon enough.
 
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Did I say that? I said they were slaves in Egypt. For 400 years! How many generations is that? Did the Egyptians keep the Sabbath? No? So then what about the Hebrews? No? Did Moshe know he was a Hebrew or did he think he was an Egyptian?
They were not slaves for 400 years you need to read Exodus again. They lived in Egypt as guests until the Pharaoh that Joseph served died then a new Pharaoh took over and enslaved the Jews. Then when that Pharaoh died and the next Pharaoh took over that’s when God used Moses to take them out of Egypt. Moses was born during the reign of the Pharaoh that enslaved the Israelites and found the burning bush when he was 80 years old. What you’re referring to is the sojourning that took place after Abraham when Issac and Jacob were sojourning in foreign lands as well as the enslavement of the Jews by the Egyptians. All of those are added together in Genesis 15:13.
 
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Jesus is referring back to Creation when mankind Gen1:26 and the Sabbath Mark2:27 Exo20:11 and was made. At Creation before the fall, it doesn't say animals was made to be eaten at Creation. This was only a result of sin.

The Sabbath was part of Creation as were animals, not meant to be food, but as companions.

When God restores the New Heaven and New Earth no one will be killing animals for food and those saved will also be continuing Sabbath worship.

God's will does not change. Sin resulted in a lot of things that was never the will of God. God will restore things back to His perfect will soon enough.
No Jesus is referring to why the sabbath was created not when it was given to man. In the discussion, when the sabbath was created doesn’t answer the question why his disciples were breaking it. Why the sabbath was created does answer the question why his disciples were breaking it. When God made the sabbath is irrelevant if He hadn’t made it known to man yet.
 
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Jesus is referring back to Creation when mankind Gen1:26 and the Sabbath Mark2:27 Exo20:11 and was made. At Creation before the fall, it doesn't say animals was made to be eaten at Creation. This was only a result of sin.

The Sabbath was part of Creation as were animals, not meant to be food, but as companions.

When God restores the New Heaven and New Earth no one will be killing animals for food and those saved will also be continuing Sabbath worship.

God's will does not change. Sin resulted in a lot of things that was never the will of God. God will restore things back to His perfect will soon enough.
You’re arguing that the animals were created apart from God’s omniscience and omnipresence. God NEVER intended for man to continue to live in the garden of Eden, that’s why the book of life was written BEFORE creation because Christ’s redemptive plan existed before creation which obviously involved the fall.
 
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Jesus is referring back to Creation when mankind Gen1:26 and the Sabbath Mark2:27 Exo20:11 and was made. At Creation before the fall, it doesn't say animals was made to be eaten at Creation. This was only a result of sin.

The Sabbath was part of Creation as were animals, not meant to be food, but as companions.

When God restores the New Heaven and New Earth no one will be killing animals for food and those saved will also be continuing Sabbath worship.

God's will does not change. Sin resulted in a lot of things that was never the will of God. God will restore things back to His perfect will soon enough.
I would also point out that His plans never change either.
 
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Abel was a shepherd....Noah was allowed to eat EVERY moving thing that lives (clean and unclean)...likely because he saved all animals. Can't eat blood though. Wow that was before Sinai! Noahide Torah! I don't see the relevance of your logic (or lack thereof) and how this relates to the Sabbath. The Sabbath was not created at Sinai. It was given as a SIGN at Sinai. And as SabbathBlessings said, and I have multiple times before, the Sabbath was practiced before ever setting foot at Sinai...(Exodus 16:23)
I don’t know why you’re bringing up Exodus 16 as if I was unaware of it while I’ve been asking you over and over why God was testing them in Exodus 16 to see whether or not they would obey the sabbath command if they were already supposed to be observing before chapter 16. I still don’t recall you answering that question other than claiming that they somehow forgot yet they didn’t seem to forget any of God’s other commandments like circumcision or murder.
 
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I don’t know why you’re bringing up Exodus 16 as if I was unaware of it while I’ve been asking you over and over why God was testing them in Exodus 16 to see whether or not they would obey the sabbath command if they were already supposed to be observing before chapter 16. I still don’t recall you answering that question other than claiming that they somehow forgot yet they didn’t seem to forget any of God’s other commandments like circumcision or murder.
You are assuming God giving commandments means people automatically are keeping them. It was answered The Sabbath, Worship and the End Time

Just because God tests people on obedience is not a case of it not being known as clearly shown in Exo16 of the Sabbath, before Mt Sinai.
 
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