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ICE shooting in Minneapolis, police swarm scene
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Could be just a precaution. I agree He did not need to be injured. He did not even need to be, hit with her car. He did not need to be in front of her car. There were two other officers involved. Either one of those two that were reaching inside her car to arrest her, could have been dragged by that car, just like he was last year.
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When you are resisting arrest, it is ok if the officer yells to make sure you hear. He had to speak up with others yelling and approaching to help this woman resist and flee.
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I see that things have followed usual discussion lines.
See that Ashli Babbitt's name came up. Have seen comments ion Christian Forums in the past arguing that her shooting was justified, though she was unarmed. I wonder how many of those are arguing that the shooting of someone trying to run over Federal agent isn't justified.
See that Ashli Babbitt's name came up. Have seen comments ion Christian Forums in the past arguing that her shooting was justified, though she was unarmed. I wonder how many of those are arguing that the shooting of someone trying to run over Federal agent isn't justified.
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Ashli Babbit was climbing through a window of a door in the hallway that leads to the House chamber. The door was barricaded and locked and she and others were being warned to get back, yet she decided to try to climb through a window anyway. There was radio chatter that a violent mob was hunting for the vice president and members of congress and numerous reports of officers down and people being injured coming across the radio. She was also wearing a backpack. A backpack that could have contained firearms or a bomb. The location where Ashli Babbitt was shot was the last line of defense between the violent mob and dozens of members of Congress. The Vice President and his family were also less than 100 feet away from the door where she was shot.
The officer who shot Ashli Babbitt did so because he felt she posed a danger to the people he was hired to protect. The shooting has been thoroughly investigated and ruled to have been appropriate, justified, and necessary.
There's no indication based on the videos available and witness testimonies that the woman was trying to run over the agent. It appears she was taking steps to avoid hitting him when she was shot.
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Sure I do. He could have continued stepping to the side as he was doing without pulling his gun, but he decided to pull and shoot. He's probably been dreaming about the opportunity ever since he got dragged a few hundred feet. That wasn't going to happen again. Too bad he shot an innocent American.
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Once again I let myself get involved in fruitless political polarized exchanges. I have not listened objectively. That takes work.
But I do hear and recognize concern for respect of law and order(at least in this case). Even with so many videos and views there will be disagreement. I am not optimistic that anyone can be objective in the larger context where everyone has already chosen their side.
Renee Nicole Good put herself in danger just being there. Regardless of how people feel about Trump and ICE, agents are enforcing the law. It is tragic that the conditions exist for this degree of national division.
But I do hear and recognize concern for respect of law and order(at least in this case). Even with so many videos and views there will be disagreement. I am not optimistic that anyone can be objective in the larger context where everyone has already chosen their side.
Renee Nicole Good put herself in danger just being there. Regardless of how people feel about Trump and ICE, agents are enforcing the law. It is tragic that the conditions exist for this degree of national division.
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I am sure that she was spoken to MULTIPLE times, both to first ask her to move her car (and she would have likely walked away from the incident) and to be told to exit the car since she was doing illegal activities once she refused to move her car. The fact that she was stupid and did not obey the cop is why the cop approached her car and tried to open the door.
The fault here lies with the left who thinks obeying the law is an optional activity. The left promotes lawlessness from their top elected officials down through the ranks, to the media who is in bed with them, promoting leftist ideas that keeping the peace is racist, and the cops are Gestapo, and white men cause all the problems, and blacks can’t be Republican. The list goes on and on. The left has been on the wrong side of history for quite a while now, defending the worst of the worst over law and order and safety for the citizens of the US. THAT is what the #1 job of the president is, and after Biden let in 20M illegal aliens, many of which are terrorists on the terrorist watch list and violent criminals, they need to be gotten rid of. You have no say in the matter. IF you think the laws are wrong, then change them. That is how our system of government works. Equipping and instructing protesters to violently attack police officers isn’t.
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Ashli Babbitt was not armed and posed no danger to the cop who murdered her. The other cops with him lowered their weapons because they knew they were not in danger. And there was no real investigation. How could someone even suggest that they were in danger from a woman who was still in the process of climbing through a window. And what happened to their taser? A real investigation would have asked pertinent questions and found him guilty of, at least, manslaughter.
But if it was OK for a cop to shoot an unarmed woman climbing through a window, why is it not OK for a cop to shoot a woman who is in the process of trying to run him down with her car?
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The real issue is that radical Dems are actually encouraging this sort of behaviour in blocking law enforcement agents. Then they claim all innocent and its murder to create a false narrative.
Its all aimed at Trump and undermining his presidency. Because they are soft on immigration and have caused this problem in the first place.
Its all aimed at Trump and undermining his presidency. Because they are soft on immigration and have caused this problem in the first place.
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The broken immigration system is the fault and responsibility of both parties going back decades. So now sending thuggish ICE agents to harass even legit citizens seems pretty extreme and unwise. And tearing families of the undocumented apart seems ruthless and inhuman.
However, the need for border security is legit and deportations are needed to demotivate more from coming. I just think it ought to be up to each state o deal with their own immigration issues rather than storm troopers.
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Illegal actions have consequences. If those here illegally were serious about wanting to become legal productive citizens of this country, they should have opted to self-deport when given the chance (as well as some cash to help them on their journey home).
Just a question - when a state chooses to opt out of obeying federal laws to build up their voting block and it puts legal US citizens in harms way, what do YOU believe is the best way to address the situation?
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The problem is anyone at all with any authority that will go in and try and remove even criminal illegals is protested and attacked. It is the level of violence and attacks in the first place and the narratives by the radical left that are causing the violence.
It does not matter if you think they are over doing it. They are law enforcement doing a job. You cannot attack the law like that without any consequences.
I guarentee that if police had gone in the same would have happened. Thus justifying ICE agents and if it gets to a point where its rioting and violence then yes the national guard to protect law enforcement.
How would you do it, Ask the illegals to peacefully surrender and go. I don't think that would work. No matter what some don't want any law enforcement and want to keep the status quo and will fight for this based on an ideology that disagrees with any authority over immigrants and people in general. .
Perhaps they should have offered more money to motivate illegals to go. Money talks sometimes.
Some States have proven incapable and in fact are making sanctuaries for illegals. This has now become a national issue.
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