Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

The Liturgist said:

No, you said that “if someone,” keyword “someone” observed the Sabbath seven days a week, we would all be dead. This is obviously false.

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Not if keeping the Biblical Sabbath the way God told us to. Exo20:8-11 Man can always create another sabbath, just as the Pharisees did, but know only God has the power to sanctify a day and only God has the power to sanctify mankind- He related both to the seventh day Sabbath- His holy day. Exo20:11 Gen2:3 Isa59:2 Eze20:12. In Scripture there is no such thing as the Sabbath being daily, this is a man-made teaching that competes with what the God of Creation said in His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 Exo20:10

SabbathBlessings said:

Not if keeping the Biblical Sabbath the way God told us to. Exo20:8-11 Man can always create another sabbath, just as the Pharisees did, but know only God has the power to sanctify a day and only God has the power to sanctify mankind- He related both to the seventh day Sabbath- His holy day. Exo20:11 Gen2:3 Isa59:2 Eze20:12. In Scripture there is no such thing as the Sabbath being daily, this is a man-made teaching that competes with what the God of Creation said in His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 Exo20:10

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Again, you’re missing the point. Someone keeping the Sabbath according to your interpretation of it every day of the week would not cause civilization to end.

Indeed, even if everyone kept it every day of the week according to Adventist standards, civilization would not end, but would be degraded, because the New Testament reveals an unambiguous exemption for survival needs (do Adventist farmers not tend to their crops or lifestock if needed on the Sabbath? If so there must not be many Adventist farmers…

But someone resting every day of the week is of no concern; we have many people who are ill, elderly, retired or unemployed who are in such a category already. But apparently not only do you demand rest on Saturday but condemn the lack thereof on other days…. Do you regard not working on Sunday as sinful?

The Liturgist said:

Again, you’re missing the point. Someone keeping the Sabbath according to your interpretation of it every day of the week would not cause civilization to end.

Indeed, even if everyone kept it every day of the week according to Adventist standards, civilization would not end, but would be degraded, because the New Testament reveals an unambiguous exemption for survival needs (do Adventist farmers not tend to their crops or lifestock if needed on the Sabbath? If so there must not be many Adventist farmers…

But someone resting every day of the week is of no concern; we have many people who are ill, elderly, retired or unemployed who are in such a category already. But apparently not only do you demand rest on Saturday but condemn the lack thereof on other days…. Do you regard not working on Sunday as sinful?

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I think you might be missing the point, who defines what and when the Sabbath of the Lord thy God is, man or God? God said it is on the seventh day. God spoke it God wrote it Exo20:10. So if we are doing something different than that, someone may be keeping a sabbath, but not the Sabbath of the Lord because only He can define when that is and did Exo20:10. Anything else is coming from outside of God’s Word Isa8:20. You can’t keep something that doesn’t exist, but believe as you wish.

Hentenza said:

I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

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1. Worship is a continual thing, for every moment, not restricted to a day, time or place. This extends throughout all covenants.

2. Sabbath requirement is about ceasing work, not about traditions of worship. rest may still be a spiritual act of worship, and other traditions of worship may still be consistent with Sabbath law values, but the instructions are specific regarding ceasing work on the Sabbath (not about gathering together for corporate worship). This doesn't limit other forms of worship on any other day, other forms of rest on any other day or bar other traditions of worship on the Sabbath, it's just isolating the legal code. As per the requirement, however, even if mirrored on another day, it is not counted as Sabbath law adherence, which can only occur on the Sabbath day; thus, this is a different kind of rest, not legal sabbath code, but perhaps a more contextualized spiritual value. This would apply to other traditions of worship held on the Sabbath day too. Those other traditions of worship are also not requirements of the legal-code (even if done on the Sabbath); they are appended traditions that may still be consistent with the legal code, just not detailed requirements. This is the same with all forms of worship, prayer for example should still be enouraged on the Sabbath, but prayer itself is not an unique requirement of the Sabbath, it can still be regarded as consistent with Sabbath law but also regarded as a daily practice too, and not unique to the Sabbath.

3. Sabbath legal code applies to the old covenant, which has been made obsolete (as all legal code of the old covenant is). The core values of the Sabbath can still be separate from the legal code, and it is those values that are universal, while the legal code is covenant-bound. Jesus highlights an example in Mat 12:12, saying goodness is lawful on the Sabbath, revealing that goodness itself is superior to the legal code. His comments mirror that of the greatest commandments, often cited as "Christ's law". So if this "goodness" Christ speaks of is superior to the legal code, does this not beg the question, should we not be driven by this goodness over the legal code since it is superior? But what aligns this goodness? not the legal code, but the HS.

If this is indeed superior and has responsible alignment, this would be more advantageous for us to follow using Christ's law as a heuristic that is led by the HS. Since Christ affirms it is lawful, we need not worry about our alignment with the legal code since our alignment is HS-driven. Can anyone reject that HS alignment is not lawful? Of course not! So alignment to legal code need not be a thought (especially since it has been made obsolete), and alignment to the HS should be our focus.

Yarddog said:

I keep the Sabbath 7 days a week. God's rest.

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No you don't.

You can keep a sabbath but not the Sabbath

Yarddog said:

Prove it

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The Sabbath is only on the 7th day of the week.
You can and should rest in Christ everyday, Every second for that matter. But the Sabbath of the Lord is on the Seventh Day. The Day He rested and therefore set apart from all others for us to rest physically.

DamianWarS said:

. Sabbath requirement is about ceasing work, not about traditions of worship. rest may still be a spiritual act of worship, and other traditions of worship may still be consistent with Sabbath law values, but the instructions are specific regarding ceasing work on the Sabbath (not about gathering together for corporate worship).

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We are called to keep the day holy in the commandment.

The Liturgist said:

2 Colossians 2:16 indicates that if he says he does, we don’t get to judge him on that.

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Nice misuse of a text.

HIM said:

We are called to keep the day holy in the commandment.

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this is legal code for Israel under the old covenant that has been made obsolete. Keeping the Sabbath was the sign of the covenant itself, I don't know how this could be spelt out any clearer.

Abraham was told to circumcise all male offspring for him and his descendants as a sign of an everlasting covenant and without ambiguity in the physical flesh, otherwise be cut off yourself. Circumcision is still valued, but it's legal code has been made obsolete, so its obligation has shifted to values of the heart. "of the heart" is an abstract value with an inward focus resulting in an outflowing, where the old covenant was focused on the superficial outward action.

this is no different with Sabbath, it's legal code has been made obsolete, we (not ancient Israel) value a Sabbath written upon our hearts that does not require legal code alignment, nor as an expected result. our focus is the heart and it's outflowing, and if the heart has HS alignment, that legal code is obsolete.

HIM said:

We are called to keep the day holy in the commandment.

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We?? are called to keep the Sabbath? Where does it state that "we" (Gentiles) are called to keep any day? In fact, Jews are living in the New Covenant era, and the covenant does not tell them they have to observe days either. The laws of the Old Covenant are a thing of the past. Everyone is living under the laws of the new and better covenant. 1Jn3 tells us that we belong to the truth if we believe in Jesus and LOVE others as He taught If we love one another, we will never do anything to harm another person. “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Matt 25:40

HIM said:

Nice misuse of a text.

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It has been long held since early Christian times as part of the justification for the 8th day worship on Sunday. You can also criticize the early Christian understanding but that was it. A major example is found in the writing of the preacher Barnabas ( not the friend of Paul ) from around 100 AD.



Plus the earliest known church manual( from before 100 AD), the Didache, which focuses on the Lord’s commandments in it’s 2nd chapter expresses the commandments various sources in the law, prophets, & prophets ( there is no emphasis on the Saturday sabbath here).


Do not murder [cf. Exod. 20:15(13)].


Do not commit adultery [Exod. 20:13 (14)].


Do not be sexually perverted.


Do not be sexually promiscuous [f. Deut. 23:17ff. ].


Do not steal [cf. Exod. 20:14(15)].


Do not practice magic [see Deut. 18:10f.].


Do not engage in sorceries [see Deut. 18:10f.].


Do not murder a child by abortion, nor kill it at birth.


Do not desire your neighbor's things [see Exod. 20:171.


3. Do not be an oath breaker [see LXX Zech.


Do not give false testimony [cf. Exod. 20:16; Matt. 5:33].


Do not speak evilly [see LXX Prov. 20:13(16)].


Do not bear a grudge [see Prov. 12:28; Zech. 7:10].

1. Do not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for the double tongue is a snare of death [cf. Prov. 21:6; James 3:5ff.]:
2. Let your word be neither empty nor false but fulfilled in practice.
3. Be not greedy [cf. Exod. 20:17), nor a swindler, nor a hypo-crite, nor spiteful, nor conceited. Do not plot wickedly against your neighbor.
4. Do not hate any man, but reprove some-and pray for them-and some love more than yourself [cf. Jude 22ff.].

In chapter 14, the Didache mentions the “Lord’s Day” ( Revelation 1:8) as the worship day.


14 On every Lord's Day—his special day527—come together and break bread and give thanks, first confessing your sins so that your sacrifice may be pure.  2Anyone at variance with his neighbor must not join you, until they are reconciled, lest your sacrifice be defiled.  3For it was of this sacrifice that the Lord said, "Always and everywhere offer me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is marveled at by the nations."528



I would think if the Apostles would have emphasized the Sabbath in Acts 15, the early church groups would have followed it. Some kept the Sabbath but most didn’t. Surely it can be kept according to how a community’s understanding but it is not binding as some claim.

HIM said:

You can keep a sabbath but not the Sabbath

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No, I keep every day holy

HIM said:

The Sabbath is only on the 7th day of the week.

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For Jews.

God gave a sabbath days rest, in the Law, the according to scripture, they could not enter God's rest, which is different than a sabbath day's rest.



There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Hebrews 4 : 9

[8] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. [10] For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

Hebrews 4 : 8, 10

Christians are God's people.

Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
Hebrews 4 : 11

We don't have a day's rest, we have God's rest. This is righteousness. We do not work but rely on the works of Jesus Christ for our salvation.

Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11 : 28

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11 : 29

Yarddog said:

No, I keep every day holy

For Jews.

God gave a sabbath days rest, in the Law, the according to scripture, they could not enter God's rest, which is different than a sabbath day's rest.



There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Hebrews 4 : 9

[8] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. [10] For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his.

Hebrews 4 : 8, 10

Christians are God's people.

Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience.
Hebrews 4 : 11

We don't have a day's rest, we have God's rest. This is righteousness. We do not work but rely on the works of Jesus Christ for our salvation.

Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11 : 28

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Matthew 11 : 29

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All of the verses you quoted are quoting or referencing the Old Testament. Can you please reconcile them with the references they are quoting and if allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, we will get the truth of God's word. What Hebrews is teaching is not a new teaching, its actually an old teaching and warning us not to follow in the path of disobedience of those who came before us. None of these verses say that the Sabbath is seven days a week, God already spoke on this and there is no one greater than He to define His own Sabbath Exo20:10. God never made every day holy Exo20:8-9 and only He can make a day holy, not us.

The Liturgist said:

some would argue your cleaning of the parish constitutes work and is inadmissible,

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Yep, it raised my eyebrow. I wondered if I was the only one that noticed that.

Yarddog said:

No, I keep every day holy

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"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... do no work on that day". Ex 20:8-11

Sabbath "is a day of Holy Convocation" Lev 23:2-3 Do you go to church every day?


Are you retired?

Do you really have the luxury of working on no day of the week? seriously??

Hentenza said:

I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment,

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In fact almost all Christian denominations argue that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God

A sample of Christian denominations ( and Christian leaders) that affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul

Hentenza said:

Exodus 20 was written by Moses in the 15th century BCE

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and John wrote the book of Revelation just after 90 AD

No matter, since "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration from God.. AND IS to to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16.

I choose to follow God, and accept His Word.

Hentenza said:

No one before Moses ever kept the sabbath.

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interesting creative writing.

The Bible starts with the Sabbath sanctified and set apart for holy use, devoted to God in Gen 2:2-3
And Christ affirms it speaking of both the making of mankind and the making of the Sabbath

"The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27
I choose to believe Christ

Not one text before Exodus 20 says "do not covet", but would still be a sin .

No wonder almost All Christian denominations today affirm the TEN as included in the moral law of God and starting at Creation in Eden.

Hentenza said:

Jews in Exodus 16 were confused about what it was that God wanted

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Israel (not Jews..) as newly freed Egyptian slaves after more than a century in slavery were a bit unclear on a few things. Good thing Moses wrote Genesis and Leviticus for them by the time of Sinai , and they lived during the Exodus so that some details could handed to them .

Hentenza said:

And, btw, I am retired and could, if I wanted to, rest every day of the week.

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Nice for you , but I did not see you post that you keep every day Holy as Sabbath.

are you now inclined to make that claim??

Hentenza said:

Exodus 20 was written by Moses in the 15th century BCE

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and John wrote the book of Revelation just after 90 AD

No matter, since "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration from God.. AND IS to to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16.

I choose to follow God, and accept His Word.

Hentenza said:

No one before Moses ever kept the sabbath.

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interesting creative writing.

The Bible starts with the Sabbath sanctified and set apart for holy use, devoted to God in Gen 2:2-3
And Christ affirms it speaking of both the making of mankind and the making of the Sabbath

"The Sabbath was made for mankind, not mankind made for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27
I choose to believe Christ

Not one text before Exodus 20 says "do not covet", but would still be a sin .

No wonder almost All Christian denominations today affirm the TEN as included in the moral law of God and starting at Creation in Eden.

Hentenza said:

Jews in Exodus 16 were confused about what it was that God wanted

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Israel (not Jews..) as newly freed Egyptian slaves after more than a century in slavery were a bit unclear on a few things. Good thing Moses wrote Genesis and Leviticus for them by the time of Sinai , and they lived during the Exodus so that some details could handed to them .

Hentenza said:

And, btw, I am retired and could, if I wanted to, rest every day of the week.

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Nice for you , but I did not see you post that you keep every day Holy as Sabbath.

are you now inclined to make that claim??

BobRyan said:


In fact almost all Christian denominations argue that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God

A sample of Christian denominations ( and Christian leaders) that affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul

Hentenza said:

This again. I debunked this months ago

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Then hopefully you can remember how to do it.

So far I have seen you post nothing against the actual details in the statement above.

Is it that you simply have not read the sources I reference??

Hentenza said:

None of the above keep the Jewish Sabbath

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Do you see "keep the Jewish Sabbath" in anything I post??

Are simply not following the details??

Hentenza said:

. All of the above celebrate the resurrection of our Lord every Sunday

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Indeed they do. Yet the statement I posted above is correct.

try again.

Hentenza said:

. We call Sunday the Sabbath of the new covenant.

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Some people do that.
But in the examples I give above no claim is made that "Sabbath is just for Jews"
No claim is made that Sabbath did not exist before Exodus

(All things that you claim, but they don't)

By ignoring details and posting misstatements you are left with circling back to your arguments that did not work