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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment
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Jesus is fully man and fully God. You cannot separate the natures. Jesus was never going to fail and suffer the second death.
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Be careful about adding your feelings to scripture mollify your miscomprehensions of the nature of God. For example, you reason by your notion of what it means that God is love, that 'unquenchable fire' ends, but Scripture doesn't say so.
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That was all out of context and strawmen and "meaning" can be defined in many different ways than the way you choose to use it and no true Scotsman would agree with your hermeneutics. (Just following Proverbs 26:5 here, <ROFL>)
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I'm sorry, but did you actually read those defs? <Laugh>
You still have" No True Scotsman" and "Yo mama" to fall back on.
Are you sure the word actually means anything at all?
Kind of like "cabbage". Several meanings, there. It can mean money, it can mean a noxious weed (skunk cabbage), it can mean a stupid person, it can mean left over material from textile production, it can even mean a vegetable. Pick the one you need to best support whatever specious argument you're trying to make this time.
It's the "Humpty Dumpty" technique. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
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Do you have any idea what you are saying? Do you even know what the fallacies you are accusing me off even mean? I would suggest you go back and read the post that I was replying to which was not from you.
Secondly weaponizing scripture to use to insult others only shows your inability to address an argument.
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Paul has the last say:
But if it is indeed Gods purpose to display His retribution and to make His power known, can it be that He has; with great patience, tolerated vessels that were objects of retribution, due for destruction. Romans 9:22
But if it is indeed Gods purpose to display His retribution and to make His power known, can it be that He has; with great patience, tolerated vessels that were objects of retribution, due for destruction. Romans 9:22
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The 'FIRE' is both real and metaphoric. It is speaking of this world and the future judgement.
The fire speaks of Gods 'WRATH' and His wrath is unquenchable - not the things in it (!)
God says His 'wrath' is an 'unquenchable fire' - nothing in there that says people are forever alive in the fire, nor does anything say humans are consciously suffering in fire for eternity.
Jeremiah 4:4 'Or else My wrath will spread like fire And burn with no one to quench it, Because of the evil of your deeds'
Jeremiah 4:4 expresses that Gods wrath is like fire and no one can put it out. Like all of Gods actions, no one can thwart or stop what God plans to do - no one can quench it - that is the point. It is not that the fire cant go out - the phrase means no one but God stops or starts it - no one is going to stop or change His decisions.
Jeremiah 17:27 'But if you do not listen to Me, to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying a load and coming in through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will set fire to its gates, and it will devour the palaces of Jerusalem and not go out'
Jeremiah 21:12 “Administer justice every morning; And save the person who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor, So that My wrath will not spread like fire And burn, with no one to extinguish it, Because of the evil of their deeds'
Isaiah 65:5 ‘They say, ‘Keep to yourself; do not come near me, for I am holier than you!’ Such people are smoke in My nostrils, a fire that burns all day long. 6 Behold, it is written before Me: I will not keep silent, but I will repay; I will pay it back into their laps, 7 both for your iniquities and for those of your fathers"
Note the verse Matthew 25:41 as in Isaiah 66:24 says “… their fire will never be quenched"
Isaiah 66:23-24 ‘From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD. 23 ‘From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD. 24 “As they go forth, they will see the corpse of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind”
Matthew 3:12 "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire”
The 'chaff' is burned up. That is why the chaff is put in the fire, to burn it up.
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Cause ain't nobody tortures like God does.
They probably just don't realize how keen on torturing folks God really is.
They have a personal worm who has eternal life as well?
Just like Scripture says, God's malice endures forever and ever.
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The "truth of the Gospel" being the idea that God created most people with the sole purpose of yotyuig them forever, right?
Gotta give them future firewood a wide berth, yessirree.
You maybe have to square Him away on that "Father forgive them" stuff, though. That's right out, isn't it?
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That God so loved the world that He's going to have the best majority of those He creates subjected to inhuman torture... forever. Hmmm...
That the universe was created by a merciless and sadistic deity?
Yeah, all you gots to do is change the language to for your doctrine, and Bob's your uncle!
Yeah, with those insufferable sorts who think the words of Scripture and ought not be redefined to suit despicable doctrines.
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Figuring out what the SCripture really means as opposed to what is just says, right? <Laugh>
But you bravely ignore it and follow whatever stuff it is that your group believes.
IE, what the Scripture says as opposed to what your lot has decided they really means.
In other words you believe what your outfit says to believe. Roger that.
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Nothing but emotional fallacy here. You need to post your argument because opinion is not evidence.
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If God didn't torment lost sinners in hell, then He would be a corrupt and evil god.
Those dead in their sin, don't know the first thig about God, so they are naturally bound to make all kinds of silly assumptions about what He does and what he doesn't do.
The damned will be reunited with their body of sin, which thewy will be stuck in for all eternity. That body will feel pain just the same as it ever did. The only difference is, they they can't faint from the pain or cease to exist, so there's no possibility of escaping or time ending their torment.
I don't know which bible you get that nonsense from, but it's not in the Holy Bible.
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