Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

truthuprootsevil said:

The Ten Commandments were laws written by God himself.

The Ten Commandments are apart of the mosaic laws the basis of the mosaic laws but separate from the mosaic laws.

Ceremonial laws such as rituals, purities priesthood, sacrifices, festivals, High/special Sabbath, (which is separate from The Seventh-Day Sabbath of God's commandment) and civil and judicial laws are the laws the gentiles may not be subject to.

God said remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

And to say that we're no longer under the law of the Sabbath you might as well say we are no longer under any of the Ten Commandments. To deny one is to deny all.

And if you want to refer to the new Commandments that is translated Jesus gave; those two Commandments are directly linked to the Ten Commandments: loving God, which is the first four of the Ten Commandments and loving your neighbor, which is the next six. They are not truly new Commandments, just shortened and simplified.

God knew what would happen, that man would change his Seventh-Day Sabbath to the first day, thus he said remember!

And let's not forget Hebrew Israelite Jews were supposed to be an example to all people of the Earth, decreed by God.

Mission in the Old Testament: Israel as a Light to the Nations

Walter Kaiser Jr., President Emeritus of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, wrote Mission in the Old Testament to challenge the idea that mission is a New Testament development and that Israel was involved in mission only centripetally, that is, attracting people to Yahweh by living out their...

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Amen!

Hentenza said:

Historical context. The mosaic law was given 430 years after Abraham.

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 3:16-17 (NASB2020) - Now the promises were spoken to Abr | YouVersion

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. Wha

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This is just poor translation. It is talking about the covenant of the promise (better translations include “in Christ”) and not the covenant of circumcision/blood oath through animals.

Hebrews 8:13

jonojim1337 said:

The Christian Sabbath is not a day of the Julian calendar or what have you. This is irrelevant.



No, it’s not. It was fulfilled when Christ died, as that was the terms of the covenant and the parties involved.

The promise to Abraham was not related to either the circumcision or the covenant. It was just that, a promise.

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People choose what is irrelevant to them.

Lack of understanding, being fulfilled doesn't mean it is not still operating.
Did not Christ choose to come through the lineage of Abraham? Is it not the lineage of Abraham that is a blessing to All Nations through Christ his lineage even till now and his return.

Hentenza said:

No. The early church worshipped on Sunday not Saturday as it was the day our Lord was resurrected. There is plenty of patriarchal evidence as early as the first century.

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The early churches held meetings in their homes, it wasn't even called Church. and as written in the book of Acts Paul kept the 7th Day Sabbath.
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

Acts 13:44-14:7 KJV - And the next sabbath day came almost - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13:44-14:7 - King James Version

When Rome established its EARLY churches, the Sabbath was changed from the 7th to the first day. After all the first day was the day of worship for Rome for their beliefs, during the persecution of the followers of Christ ceased.

Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

truthuprootsevil said:

People choose what is irrelevant to them.

Lack of understanding, being fulfilled doesn't mean it is not still operating.
Did not Christ choose to come through the lineage of Abraham? Is it not the lineage of Abraham that is a blessing to All Nations through Christ his lineage even till now and his return.

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You mean, In your seed shall all nations be blessed, meaning one, and not many? The seed which was prophecied from the beginning?

jonojim1337 said:

You mean, In your seed shall all nations be blessed, meaning one, and not many? The seed which was prophecied from the beginning?

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If you want to define all nations as one nation, go right ahead, have God given right to accept or deny what is written as it is written.

One seed, the seed of Abraham meaning all of his offspring, which when God changed Jacob's name to Israel that entire nation became the known as the Israelites. And through the seed of Abraham the Israelites came to be and through the Israelites Jesus was born and is a blessing to ALL Nations from the SEED of Abraham as written.

truthuprootsevil said:

If you want to define all nations as one nation, go right ahead, have God given right to accept or deny what is written as it is written.

One seed, the seed of Abraham meaning all of his offspring, which when God changed Jacob's name to Israel that entire nation became the known as the Israelites. And through the seed of Abraham the Israelites came to be and through the Israelites Jesus was born and is a blessing to ALL Nations from the SEED of Abraham as written.

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I have no problem with you worshipping my family but that is not how it’s written or prophecied.

jonojim1337 said:

This is just poor translation. It is talking about the covenant of the promise (better translations include “in Christ”) and not the covenant of circumcision/blood oath through animals.

Hebrews 8:13

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Are you actually arguing that the Mosaic law including the 10 commandments was given to Abraham and not to Moses?

Galatians 3:29: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Everyone in Christ through faith is a spiritual descendant of Abraham. It could not be clearer.

truthuprootsevil said:

The early churches held meetings in their homes, it wasn't even called Church.

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Although the new Christian church began meeting in houses the church progressively grew beyond the house setting meeting in larger venues. The early church was indeed called church as evidenced by the use of ekklesia which appears 118 times in the NT.

Here are some examples.

“And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, he is to be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭32‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“From Miletus he sent word to Ephesus and called to himself the elders of the church.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20‬:‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

truthuprootsevil said:

and as written in the book of Acts Paul kept the 7th Day Sabbath.
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

Acts 13:44-14:7 KJV - And the next sabbath day came almost - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13:44-14:7 - King James Version

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Jesus and the Apostles did indeed go to the temple on the Jewish sabbath. Jesus ministry initially was to preach to the Jews and Jesus was indeed a Jew so He followed the law to perfection. It wasn’t until the Jews rejected the Messiah that His ministry shifted to the gentiles. Even after Jesus was crucified and resurrected the Apostles continued to evangelize the Jews which required them to go to where the Jews gathered which was the temple during the sabbath. Paul even explains his reasoning in 1 Cor. 9.

truthuprootsevil said:

When Rome established its EARLY churches, the Sabbath was changed from the 7th to the first day. After all the first day was the day of worship for Rome for their beliefs, during the persecution of the followers of Christ ceased.

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Rome did not established any of the churches depicted in the NT. The epistles were sent to churches planted by the apostles. The early church in Rome was just that, a gathering of Christian that lived in Rome. The church in Jerusalem, where Pentecost took place, had much more authority during biblical times. Even the first council (Acts 15) occurred in Jerusalem not Rome. The Church of Rome’s authority became merely positional given its location in the capital of the Roman Empire until the 4th century.

truthuprootsevil said:

Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway Church at Rome - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

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You might want to read your link. It doesn’t follow your reasoning above.

Jerry N. said:

Galatians 3:29: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Everyone in Christ through faith is a spiritual descendant of Abraham. It could not be clearer.

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But that it not the claim. The claim is that the Mosaic law was given to Abraham not Moses. So if that is what you are arguing then post the book and verse where that happened.