RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

MarkSB said:

I'm by no means an expert on VAERS, but health care professionals didn't ignore the VAERS reports on the COVID vaccine, as you are claiming they did. They go out and collect more data and determine if the reports are legitimate. The vast majority of those reports were no doubt determined to be not related to the vaccine. And this determination was made by health care professionals who go out and look at actual evidence.

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I really wish that were true.

MarkSB said:

Also - COVID was a highly politicized pandemic.

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Boy, was it ever!

MarkSB said:

It was also the most widespread pandemic to take place in the age of the internet - an age where false information spreads very rapidly. With those factors in mind, it is very much believable that we would see a spike in false/inaccurate reports in the VAERS system like had never been seem before. It was a global event unlike anything we have seen in recent history.

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COVID vaccines should NEVER have been mandated. Even overlooking the physical harms that occurred, the cost of the loss of trust in public health was immense and may take decades to restore.

BasedLutheran said:

Oops. The only ones politicizing it were the leftists.

Yes, Some Children May Have Died From COVID Shots

Denial only serves the aims of anti-vaxxers.

www.theatlantic.com

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I saw this story yesterday at The Atlantic. The headline is clearly meant to be attention-grabbing. But WOW, what an admission! If you had suggested that a child could have died from the COVID vaccine just a few years ago, you would have been accused of spreading misinformation and censored. That the mainstream media now readily admits that children died from the COVID vaccine is honesty quite astounding. If COVID taught us anything, it's that the only thing that separates conspiracy and "misinformation" from truth is often just time.

But the blasé way that the article approaches this very serious issue is kind of like (my paraphrase)...


Absent from that article is any mea culpa or retrospection that, hmm, maybe mandating vaccines for children to attend school was ill-advised, given that children were at an infinitesimal risk from COVID. It's almost like we just have to accept that mandating interventions absent evidence means that, yeah, sure, we're going to lose a child here and there. But SCIENCE!

It would be laughable if it weren't so sad. But the thing that concerns me the most is the lack of concern and the blind trust that so many people still have in the industry and those funded by them. They still truly believe that this is about public health. They can easily spot when Joe Schmo is grifting and making a buck or two on false claims from vaccines, but they are completely, utterly, and I believe in many cases willfully blind to the IMMENSE financial incentives driving our public health "recommendations".

probinson said:

Why even have VAERS if the reaction is always to just discard it completely? You say it's to "track trends", but clearly you don't believe that since you say it can't be used as "proof of anything".

VAERS exists so that public health agencies can say we have a system for tracking vaccine injuries while summarily dismissing everything it contains.

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it isn't proof, nor can it be used as proof, it's a, "Hmmmm okay suddenly an upshot of people having this kind of complication, lets see if related." and thats when you find out oh it isn't. Self reporting is unreliable as a source on it's own.

probinson said:

I really wish that were true.

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And you have evidence which shows that incidents reported in the VAERS system aren't being investigated at all, I suppose?

probinson said:

Boy, was it ever!

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I recall conservative Christians being one of the groups who most staunchly refused to wear masks, because it was their "right" not to do so. I suppose that's not politicizing in your book, though. No, that's not putting politics over the love or your neighbor at all, is it?

probinson said:

COVID vaccines should NEVER have been mandated. Even overlooking the physical harms that occurred, the cost of the loss of trust in public health was immense and may take decades to restore.

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And what physical harms are those? Where is your evidence? I'm not saying that no harms occurred, but the only thing that has been presented are unvetted reports in VAERS. Anyone who cares about data integrity is going to consider that to be an unreliable source.

BasedLutheran said:

Oops. The only ones politicizing it were the leftists.

Yes, Some Children May Have Died From COVID Shots

Denial only serves the aims of anti-vaxxers.

www.theatlantic.com

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Do you have evidence of child deaths occurring from the COVID vaccine? Or just an article that says it "may" have happened?

I can't read the full article, because apparently I've read too many free articles from The Atlantic - but every other source says that no evidence of deaths was presented.

probinson said:

Fear not. The health insurance companies are more than happy to continue covering this vaccine dose, despite there being no evidence of benefit to low-risk children.

Parents will still be able to get the hepatitis B vaccine for their children at no cost even though the US Centers for Disease and Control Prevention’s vaccine advisers recommended a major change to the immunization practice.​

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https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/07/health/hepatitis-b-vaccine-insurance-coverage

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You know what I find really odd about this story? They say this:

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The revised recommendation calls for mothers who test negative for the virus to consult with a doctor or other health care provider before having their babies vaccinated. This could create confusion and place additional hurdles in front of parents and result in fewer children being immunized.​

So the new recommendation is, consult with your physician. Not don't get it. Not, it's harmful. Not any of the other nonsense the media has portrayed. Simply "consult with your physician". Apparently, people believe that consulting with your physician about medical interventions could create "confusion".

That statement is astounding. But it's not really all that surprising. If you've followed COVID and the vaccines that followed, it always made sense to "consult with your physician". But to avoid "confusion", they decided that they should just "recommend" it to everyone.

These recommendations are not evidence-based. They are based on convenience. What a weird place we've arrived at where simply recommending one to consult their physician before making a decision is now deemed "confusing".

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Things really went south with COVID, I blame Trump who bungled it at first, to Biden who mandated the COVID vaccines. As someone else upthread said Covid got really politicized on both sides. I don't think the vaccines should have been mandated, and they were rushed out too fast. So while probably generally safe, people could be excused for not trusting them. I have not had a Covid shot or booster in almost 3 years and don't plan to for awhile.
Polio, MMR and DTAP and Hep B vaccines however have years of proven safety records, and are far safer than the diseases they prevent. Of course there are people who can't tolerate vaccines. I have a friend who can't take any vaccines.