Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

Hentenza · 2025-12-11T16:53:13-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Sometimes I do not think you even know what you're posting or what your own position is, as it keeps changing.

Your accusation was worshipping God on Sunday is the mark of the beast which is not the same as

Nope. That has never been my argument.

SabbathBlessings said:
The mark of the beast is only given to those who are alive at the time it is enforced.

Which are the words of Ellen White and your church which I posted for discussion.

SabbathBlessings said:
At the resurrection our decision will have been sealed Rev22:11

Which basically means that all professed Christians that did not keep the 4th commandment during their lifetime will receive the mark of the beast at the resurrection. Is that right?

SabbathBlessings said:
If you can't quote EGW or the SDA church saying your above quote, this is at least the second or third time you made a claim about the SDA church that you have not been able to prove.

I did in my OP and in my post 73.

SabbathBlessings said:
There is no Scripture that says we are saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 that we can rebel against one of God's commandments and be saved without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 This is a different argument than "worshipping God on a Sunday". God defines sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7, God defines His commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18, just because one decided to chisel out one of the commandments of God, He said to Remember and teach the opposite, to forget, doesn't mean God does. What God blessed Exo20:11 Isa59:2 man cannot reverse Num23:20 or edit God's own Testimony Exo31:18 Pro30:6 because we are not God.

Strawman. You need to study the actual effects of justification on the believer.

CLEEB · 2025-12-11T17:01:25-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Sometimes I do not think you even know what you're posting or what your own position is, as it keeps changing.

Your accusation was worshipping God on Sunday is the mark of the beast which is not the same as

The mark of the beast is only given to those who are alive at the time it is enforced. At the resurrection our decision will have been sealed Rev22:11 If you can't quote EGW or the SDA church saying your above quote, this is at least the second or third time you made a claim about the SDA church that you have not been able to prove.

There is no Scripture that says we are saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 that we can rebel against one of God's commandments and be saved without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 This is a different argument than "worshipping God on a Sunday". God defines sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7, God defines His commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18, just because one decided to chisel out one of the commandments of God, He said to Remember and teach the opposite, to forget, doesn't mean God does. What God blessed Exo20:11 Isa59:2 man cannot reverse Num23:20 or edit God's own Testimony Exo31:18 Pro30:6 because we are not God.

These allegations will be sorted out soon enough by God.

Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.

Hentenza · 2025-12-11T17:14:00-0600

CLEEB said:
Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.

My decision to engage the legalists is for the benefit of the Christians that only read our website. If we disengage then the only side they will read will be the side of the legalists. The discussions balances the views and exposes the perils of legalism.

I praise the Lord for getting you out of the clutches of legalism. Bless you.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T17:14:29-0600

CLEEB said:
Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.

Not according to Jesus. He said If you love me KEEP My commandments John14:15 For this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments 1John5:3 Those who say they know Me and do not KEEP My commandments is a liar and has no truth in them. Jesus said the blind leading the blind is those who lay aside the commandments and instead depend on their own laws/traditions that replace God's. Mat15:3-15.

The only one who wants us not to keep His commandments and stay in our sins is the other spirit 1John3:8

Hentenza · 2025-12-11T17:15:47-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
No according to Jesus. If you love me KEEP My commandments John14:15 For this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments 1John5:3 Those who say they know Me and do not KEEP My commandments is a liar and has no truth in them. The only one who wants us not to keep His commandments and stay in our sins is the other spirit 1John3:8

What is required for salvation?

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T17:19:10-0600

Hentenza said:
What is required for salvation?

We are saved by grace through faith. Some how the devil has deceived so many that faith means being disobedient to God and what He asks (His commandments) when its the opposite.

Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Hentenza · 2025-12-11T17:22:45-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
We are saved by grace through faith. Some how the devil has deceived so many that faith means being disobedient to God and what He asks (His commandments)

You don’t really believe that we are saved by grace through faith because you and your church also believed that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation. So you and your church believe in salvation by faith plus works.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T17:25:00-0600

Hentenza said:
You don’t really believe that we are saved by grace through faith because you and your church also believed that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation. So you and your church believe in salvation by faith plus works.

That's what's faith is about, obeying God, God never separated the 4th commandment from the other 9 comamndment Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 Heb8:10 2Cor3:3. Why anyone comes to the conclusion we can break the law of God and continue in that path and that's an example of faith is not something I will ever understand. Not something Jesus ever taught. But we were warned about this type of teaching 1 Tim4:3-4

Disobedience to God and His commandments is rebellion, sin unbelief and disobedience Heb3:7-19. I already posted the words of Jesus, if one won't believe His plain teachings, nothing more I can say.

Hentenza · 2025-12-11T17:50:05-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
That's what's faith is about, obeying God,

No. Faith is belief in the Lord and who He is. Here is the definition pistis which if faith in Greek and the definition used for the purposes of scripture.

Strong’s Definitions
πίστις pístis, pis'-tis; from G3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:—assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 244x
The KJV translates Strong's G4102 in the following manner: faith (239x), assurance (1x), believe (with G1537) (1x), belief (1x), them that believe (1x), fidelity (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage

conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
1. relating to God
  1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
2. relating to Christ
  1. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
3. the religious beliefs of Christians
4. belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
fidelity, faithfulness
1. the character of one who can be relied on

SabbathBlessings said:
disobedience to God and His commandments is rebellion, sin unbelief and disobedience Heb3:7-19.

No. You are again reading your pet doctrines into scriptures. Heb. 3 speaks about the disobedience and disbelieve of Israel which caused them the “rest” of entering into the promise land.

SabbathBlessings said:
I already posted the words of Jesus, if one won't believe His plain teachings, nothing I can say is gonna make a difference.

No. You posted your interpretation of the words of Jesus. Big difference. You still believe that salvation is by faith plus works of the law.

I know your church follows the dietary laws. Is it a sin not to follow the dietary laws?

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T18:50:16-0600

How does one profess to believe Jesus but not His sayings (Teachings) enough to do them. Jesus asked this same question....

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Guess it will get sorted out soon enough.

Hentenza · 2025-12-11T18:59:11-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
How does one profess to believe Jesus but not His sayings (Teachings) enough to do them. Jesus asked this same question....

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Guess it will get sorted out soon enough.

The foundation is Jesus. Paul explains how our works are judged and the outcome. The foundation is the key.

“According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.”
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