Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

[Hentenza]

And in your copy and paste AI generated post, there is nothing written therein that supports your accusation that they do.

First you accuse me of using AI.

I’m going to cut your post off because it is disingenuous. No AI was used. Go back to my OP and open the link that I supplied which will bring you to Ellen White’s actual writings. Maybe reading posts more carefully will help you avoid embarrassing errors like this.

I directed you to the link that I posted. This is my first time telling you that I did not use AI.

Go back and read your own words, and you should be embarrassed for being so dishonest in in them. " the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God". You should be embarrassed, and amend your error.

In this quote you maliciously truncated my opening post to make it say something that I did not say. You accuse me of saying that the SDA believed what Ellen White said when I did not say that. My OP are about the words of Ellen White.

No. Why did you cut off the first part of my post? Here it is again.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.”

Why did you cut off the bold part of my post? You are quote mining by taking out the context? Did I say that the SDA teaches what your prophet teaches or that your prophet teaches what I posted? This is a perfect example of changing a post for disingenuous selfish purposes and you did it on purpose.
You just lowered yourself and my initial opinion of you and your posts was

I corrected you in this post for maliciously truncating my post to say what I did not say.

Your AI copy and past sermon does not teach that folks that worship God on Sunday with receive the "mark of the beast".

You again accuse me of using AI even though I told you earlier that I did not use AI.

To late. You already showed your trickery.

Ellen does. Open the link to her writings that I provided.

The founders of the SDA were even worse as they proved to be false prophets by failing in their prediction of Christ return in 1844.

Here I correct you again that I did not use AI and point you to open the link in my OP for the second time.

. But there is nothing in your AI copy and post, that supports your accusation that SDA preaches that a man that worships on Sunday receives the "mark of the beast".

In this post you once again accuse me of using AI in my OP even though I have already corrected you and pointed to the attached link.

You continue with your miss-representation and disingenuous posting. There is a link at the bottom of my OP which fully cites my source. This is the second or third time that I have told you this. I did not use AI.

I correct you yet one more time that I have not used AI.

That's what I thought, you can't find anything in the AI generated Post that you promote, that teaches that SDA, or Ellen White, teaches that a man who worships God on Sunday receives the "mark of the beast".

And again continue to accuse me of using AI. This is the fourth time that you have accused me of using AI even though I have corrected you three times before. You are doing this on purpose and of disrespect. It is now goading and against the site rules.

Again, I did not use AI and I posted a link to Ellen White’s own writings which is where I posted HER OWN words.

Im not going to lower myself to your level so go bother someone else.

I correct you for the 4th time.

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

(These are Ellen White’s words from the LINK below. If you don’t know how to open it then just click on the blue word evangelism. No AI here).

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Presenting God’s last warning message to a doomed world is the “highest, greatest work” ever given to human beings. This comprehensive handbook on ev…

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Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

(These are also my words. No AI here).

I went as far as repeating my OP to point out that no AI had been used.

I find it so amazing that you can not grasp this simple truth that is revealed on the very first sentence of your AI generated post.

And what do you do? Accuse me once again for the fifth time of using AI even though I have corrected you and gone through great lengths to show that I did not use AI.

You are obviously here to try to win arguments at any cost even if you disrespect and bear false witness about the person you are posting against. You even go as far as editing your opponent’s words to say something they did not say. That is low.

I pray that other people read this and understand what has been posted in this thread and guard themselves against such trickery.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This type of behavior seems common on this forum. Some people see everything as an attack and some refuse to admit they are wrong even when presented with the evidence. This is what happens when you have so many people who have different beliefs. No one is going to be able to convince the other of anything and it quickly degenerates into confusion. This is sad and unfortunate but is also the reality. When I am faced with that brand of person I ignore them. Quoting scripture is irrelevant because everyone has their own private interpretation. There can be no healthy discussion under such circumstances.

It can't be reasoned because so many people use their commentary (ideas/opinions) as if its the same as the word of God. We can find Truth in God's Word, there is only one. But what I see most do is not allow the God of the Bible to define what things are and add their words to His as if they are greater when we are told not to do this Pro30:6

 

[Studyman]

First you accuse me of using AI.

Here is your exact quote for your thread"

"Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday"

The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday."

When I placed your thread in my Microsoft Bing search bar, ""Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday"

Here is the AI generated response from Microsoft Bing

Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teaches that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. She asserts that the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Word for word. Since the article you posted doesn't teach that "Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God", I tried to find out where this teaching comes from.

I placed your thread ""Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday" into the search bar of my Microsoft Bing search engine, and as you can see, the AI generated response was word for word what you posted. I can not find this teaching anywhere else, certainly not in the "Link" you provided while you were searching the Web for information on Ellen White. The only source I could find to support your teaching, was from you and a word for word AI response I received when I searched your thread.

If you didn't search your own thread, like I did, when you were searching the internet to find information on EGW, and it was simply an astonishing and unbelievable coincidence that your statement, and the AI generated response I got, were word for word, and both wrong according to the very Link you provided, I am sorry. And I apologize for assuming that you googled your own thread when you were on the internet searching for information regarding your own thread.

In this quote you maliciously truncated my opening post to make it say something that I did not say.

Your judgment of "maliciously truncated" your opening post is your opinion, and you are welcome to it. I was simply correcting an error you were making concerning EGW's teaching.

Neither Ellen White, nor the SDA church, nor does any of this world's religious sects, teach that men "who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God".

The issue isn't about what days to worship God. Your sermon, and consequently the AI response I got when googling your thread, makes it about what day to worship God, but White, and the SDA do not. It's about the re-writing of God's commandments, specifically the 4th of the 10 Commandments Given by God in Ex. 20.

This is true according to writings of White, and the RCC who took it upon themselves to re-write the Commandment.

"The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4."

Again, since you replied to my post, I am obligated to point out the truth that the controversy was never about "what Day to Worship God". It was about the re-writing of a Commandment of God.

You even go as far as editing your opponent’s words to say something they did not say. That is low.

The difference between us, is that I corrected my mistake, but the false premise that you promoted remained the same even after I corrected myself. It doesn't matter whether it was EGW, or SDA, or both, neither of them taught "that men who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God".

In fact, the only preacher I have ever heard that promotes that EGW taught "that men who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God", is you and the AI feature in Microsoft Bing, when your thread is placed in the search bar. And both of you used the exact same wording, word for word.

Now that you claim this was just some strange coincidence, that you were on the internet searching about EGW, even found a link that you posted in your search, but didn't search "Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday", Yet quoted Word for Word the AI response one will get if they search your thread on Microsoft Bing, is truly remarkable, astonishing, unbelievable in fact.

And if I was wrong to assume that when you were on the Internet, searching about EGW, that you didn't search your own thread, and copied and pasted the response I got, then I am sorry.

I was hoping to discuss your statement that EGW taught "that men who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God", which is untrue.

I apologize if I was wrong in my assumption concerning the source of your teaching.

 

[Studyman]

This type of behavior seems common on this forum. Some people see everything as an attack and some refuse to admit they are wrong even when presented with the evidence. This is what happens when you have so many people who have different beliefs. No one is going to be able to convince the other of anything and it quickly degenerates into confusion. This is sad and unfortunate but is also the reality. When I am faced with that brand of person I ignore them. Quoting scripture is irrelevant because everyone has their own private interpretation. There can be no healthy discussion under such circumstances.

I appreciate your opinion, and truly, if men just ignore everyone who sees Scriptures differently than them, truly there can be no healthy discussion. It seems "many" are more interested in justifying themselves and defending their adopted religious philosophy, than seeking the truth of God. This inevitably leads to tribal behavior and division, which explains the hundreds of religious sects "who call Jesus Lord, Lord" that exist in this world God placed me in.

A healthy discussion consists of men who are willing to ask and answer questions about God's Word honestly, even if the answer exposes a wickedness or deception within them, that we all have.

As for Scriptures, in my experience it isn't the interpretation that causes the deception, it's the motive for using the Scripture in the first place. Are we using selective scripture to justify a popular religious tradition, philosophy or doctrine of men, that considering more of God's Word would expose as NOT Wrought in God?

If a person is only interested in justify themselves, then truly, most of God's word would become irrelevant to them.

 

[Hentenza]

Here is your exact quote for your thread"



When I placed your thread in my Microsoft Bing search bar, ""Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday"

Here is the AI generated response from Microsoft Bing

Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teaches that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. She asserts that the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Word for word. Since the article you posted doesn't teach that "Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God", I tried to find out where this teaching comes from.

When you do a search like that on Bing the AI search is called a copilot search. Here it is what I get using the same search criteria.


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   Ellen White's teachings on the mark of the beast emphasize that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. This perspective is rooted in her belief that the observance of Sunday by Protestants is an homage to the authority of the Catholic Church, which she equates with the worship of the beast. White's writings indicate that the enforcement of Sunday observance by law would be an enforcement of the worship of the beast and his image, leading to a national apostasy and ultimately national ruin.
   
   It does not match your claim. Not surprised at all. You don’t see it or don’t want to see it do you.
   
   

I placed your thread ""Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday" into the search bar of my Microsoft Bing search engine, and as you can see, the AI generated response was word for word what you posted. I can not find this teaching anywhere else, certainly not in the "Link" you provided while you were searching the Web for information on Ellen White. The only source I could find to support your teaching, was from you and a word for word AI response I received when I searched your thread.

If you didn't search your own thread, like I did, when you were searching the internet to find information on EGW, and it was simply an astonishing and unbelievable coincidence that your statement, and the AI generated response I got, were word for word, and both wrong according to the very Link you provided, I am sorry. And I apologize for assuming that you googled your own thread when you were on the internet searching for information regarding your own thread.

I did not google my own thread. In fact, I googled “Ellen White on Sunday Worship” and brought up the link that I posted in my op. I posted her own words for discussion because she accuses the pope of changing the sabbath day to Sunday, hence my comment.

Your judgment of "maliciously truncated" your opening post is your opinion, and you are welcome to it. I was simply correcting an error you were making concerning EGW's teaching.

It is not my opinion. By truncating who was making the comments, Ellen White, you made it seem like I accused the SDA church of making the comments. That changes the context of my discussion to something that was not part of the discussion.

Neither Ellen White, nor the SDA church, nor does any of this world's religious sects, teach that men "who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God".

Ellen White does according to her own writings. I did not make up her writing but merely copied them into my OP. You need to address what SHE said not what I said.

The issue isn't about what days to worship God. Your sermon, and consequently the AI response I got when googling your thread, makes it about what day to worship God, but White, and the SDA do not. It's about the re-writing of God's commandments, specifically the 4th of the 10 Commandments Given by God in Ex. 20.

I did not do a sermon. I never claimed that I did a sermon. Your characterization is out of line and not supported by my post.

This is true according to writings of White, and the RCC who took it upon themselves to re-write the Commandment.

"The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.
—The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4."

Again, since you replied to my post, I am obligated to point out the truth that the controversy was never about "what Day to Worship God". It was about the re-writing of a Commandment of God.

So argue that from Ellen White’s words. That is what I put up for discussion. My answer would have been simple. I’m not Catholic. I worship on Sunday because the early church did and the law is not binding in the new covenant.

The difference between us, is that I corrected my mistake,

How pompous of you. I posted the summary post because you continued accusing me of using AI because of your own assumption. Never did you even state that you made a mistake.

And if I was wrong to assume that when you were on the Internet, searching about EGW, that you didn't search your own thread, and copied and pasted the response I got, then I am sorry.

Why didn’t you just ask me instead of defaulting to accusations? You accused me in five different posts even after I told you that I had not used AI. I would have gladly answered you.

I was hoping to discuss your statement that EGW taught "that men who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God", which is untrue.

These are Ellen White’s words not mine. Open the link and you can see her words.

I apologize if I was wrong in my assumption concerning the source of your teaching.

I am of Christ so forgiving comes naturally i
for me, however, you also need to understand what you did and I still don’t see it in your post.

 

[Hentenza]

The following is from the executive committee of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. It echoes Ellen Smith teachings regarding the mark of the beast and those that worship on Sunday. Notice that Sunday is directly mentioned below.

1 . SINCE NEITHER SABBATH NOR SUNDAY ARE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, HOW CAN THE MARK OF THE BEAST INVOLVE A DAY OF WORSHIP OR A LAW REQUIRING THE OBSERVANCE OF SUNDAY?​

The mark of the beast is mentioned seven times in Revelation (13:16, 17; 14:9, 11; 16:2; 19:20; 20:4). Four of these appear in its central vision (Rev. 12-14), which is introduced by a view of the ark of the covenant containing the ten commandments (Rev. 11:19). God’s remnant people are identified as those who “keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Rev. 12:17). Immediately after this, John describes two beasts which persecute God’s church: (1) “a beast rising up out of the sea” (Rev. 13:1) and (2) “another beast coming up out of the earth” (Rev. 13:11). The first beast commands false worship and his persecuting activity resembles that of the “little horn” of Daniel 7 that would “intend to change times and law” (Dan 7:25) and persecutes God’s people for 1260 days (Rev. 13:4, 8). The connection with Daniel’s prophecy shows that the false worship involves an attempt to change God’s “times” and His ten commandment law. The one commandment of the ten dealing with time is the fourth— to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.

Historically, the attempt to change the day of worship has been perpetrated by the papacy of Rome which reveres Sunday as the day of rest instead of Saturday, the biblical Sabbath. The fact that the second beast in Revelation 13, representing the United States of America, exercises the same authority as the first beast (Rev. 13:12) and cooperates with the first beast to enforce false worship shows that Sunday will be an important distinguishing mark of those who worship the beast and his image in contrast to God’s remnant people who “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Rev. 14:12). Their obedience includes keeping the seventh day holy because they heed the call to “worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water” (Rev. 14:7; see Exod. 20:11). These will receive the seal of God (Rev. 7:4; 14:1) while those who reject this call and reverence Sunday, the mark of the beast’s authority, are described as part of Babylon and receive the mark of the beast (Rev. 14:8-11). The final test, then, is over true or false worship based either on obedience to God’s law, including the Sabbath, or a man-made day of worship, Sunday.

The link below includes the above and additional information.

Answers to Questions on the Mark of the Beast and End Time Events - Executive Committee

Questions have come to the Biblical Research Institute regarding the Seventh-day Adventist position on the Mark of the Beast in relation to Sunday observance, the conditionality of prophecy, and pertinent statements by Ellen G. White. The following questions summarize the main concerns that have...

executivecommittee.adventist.org

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The mark of the beast is not implemented yet because we are free to keep the Sabbath commandment or choose something different like keep Sunday in lieu of the 4th commandment. There is no commandment to keep Sunday holy, this is nothing more than a tradition of man. There is a commandment to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy, written by God, spoken by God that comes with His power of blessings Exo20:3 Isa59:2 and sanctification Gen2:3 Eze20:12. We should worship God 365 24/7 which would include worshipping God on the first day of the week. However, if we are keeping Sunday as a holy day in lieu of keeping the 4th commandment a tradition of man, according to Jesus this principle is worshipping Him in vain, making the word of God of no effect. The mark does not become implemented until there is an enforced national Sunday law that is already in the works and where it prevents people from keeping the 4th commandment. Much like when there was a decree in the book of Daniel that prevented them from keeping one of God's commandments from this same unit Deut4:13 Exo20:6. Why this story is in the prophetic book of Daniel.

There are two parts of worship, we should worship God every day in praise, prayer, reading of His word and serving Him with our whole heart, part of worship though according to Jesus is obedience to the commandments of God. Are we subjecting ourselves to, God on His Authority who said Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:8-11 that keeping we know He is the Lord that sanctifies and a sign between Him and His people Eze20:20 why He placed His seal in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 the only God we are called to worship Rev14:7, in His spoken and written Testimony from God, or does one keep Sunday as a holy day in place of one of God's commandments. Whoever we obey is who we serve even if we do not think we are Rom6:16

The final test, then, is over true or false worship based either on obedience to God’s law, including the Sabbath, or a man-made day of worship, Sunday.

The words of Jesus, not EGW or the SDA church


Mat 15:3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ From the Ten Commandments
Mat 15:6 he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.


Mar 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Which commandment?
‘Honor your father and your mother’ (from the Ten Exo20:12 Deut4:13)

13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Jesus is not speaking of this one commandment as "the word of God" Its the whole Testimony of God Exo31:18 and while people may not agree the Sabbath is a commandment of God or not, that's fine, but God said it is and it comes with God's blessings and sanctification, that only He can give and man cannot take away Num23:20, because they are not God.

Jesus Himself defined false worship as laying aside the commandment of God making the word of God of no effect. How are we told we must worship Him?

John4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

All of God's commandments are Truth including the 4th commandment Psa119:151 because they were written by the Holy Spirit of Truth personally, first on stone than on the heart. Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Heb8:10

The end time battle is over our worship. Rev 13, Rev 14

Why we are called back to worship our Creator Exo20:11 Rev14:7 because most has obeyed something else as predicted Dan7:25 in place of what God said.

in the New Heaven and New Earth the Sabbath continues for worship for His saints- don't you think we ought to do the will of God now, His will is the same in heaven as it is on earth.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

 

[Studyman]

When you do a search like that on Bing the AI search is called a copilot search. Here it is what I get using the same search criteria.

I didn't use co-pilot. I placed your thread in the search bar, and this is the AI generated answer my computer gave me just now.

Ellen White, on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday





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   Ellen White, on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday​

   Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teaches that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. She warns that those who continue to worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God.

I am ignorant of this whole AI stuff, and after searching the same topic several times, each time to gives me a slightly different answer. The first time it was word for word, each time I close out, and open it again, the answer changes slightly. Something I didn't know the first time I received the AI assisted answer which mirrored your post almost exactly.

Your thread started with:

"The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday."

I see so many on these forums that use AI to support their specific religious traditions that vary, depending on the religious sect they adopt. Your word for word alignment with my search results, the first time I searched it, indicated just another of what I have seen so many times.

As you can see, it is almost word for word, on the sentences you used. I didn't make it up, I would never engage in such trickery or deception.

Not that any of this will matter to you, but it seems prudent to point out why I made the assumption, And why I apologize for making it, because you told me you didn't use AI in your post, and I didn't believe you. And that is where I made my error for which I am sorry.

The point about my reply, that has gotten lost in the shuffle, is to point out that the issue is NOT "worshiping God on Sunday", as I have stated many times and provided you evidence even from the religion that re-wrote the Commandment.

It is about the re-writing of God's commandments, not about teaching that a person who worships God on Sunday, is of the devil.

I was wrong to just assume, based on my limited intel, that you copied portions of the AI assisted answer I received when I googled your thread, to my shame.

But the premise of your post, that EGW or the SDA teach that worshipping God on Sunday is forbidden by God, and those who do so are of satan, is simply not true.

 

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I didn't use co-pilot. I placed your thread in the search bar, and this is the AI generated answer my computer gave me just now.


I am ignorant of this whole AI stuff, and after searching the same topic several times, each time to gives me a slightly different answer. The first time it was word for word, each time I close out, and open it again, the answer changes slightly. Something I didn't know the first time I received the AI assisted answer which mirrored your post almost exactly.

Your thread started with:

"The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday."

I see so many on these forums that use AI to support their specific religious traditions that vary, depending on the religious sect they adopt. Your word for word alignment with my search results, the first time I searched it, indicated just another of what I have seen so many times.

As you can see, it is almost word for word, on the sentences you used. I didn't make it up, I would never engage in such trickery or deception.

Not that any of this will matter to you, but it seems prudent to point out why I made the assumption, And why I apologize for making it, because you told me you didn't use AI in your post, and I didn't believe you. And that is where I made my error for which I am sorry.

The point about my reply, that has gotten lost in the shuffle, is to point out that the issue is NOT "worshiping God on Sunday", as I have stated many times and provided you evidence even from the religion that re-wrote the Commandment.

It is about the re-writing of God's commandments, not about teaching that a person who worships God on Sunday, is of the devil.

I was wrong to just assume, based on my limited intel, that you copied portions of the AI assisted answer I received when I googled your thread, to my shame.

But the premise of your post, that EGW or the SDA teach that worshipping God on Sunday is forbidden by God, and those who do so are of satan, is simply not true.

No one has rewritten God’s commandment.

1.Gods 4th commandment was given to Israel during Moses time (15th century BCE) and Moses wrote the 5 books of the Torah which includes the 10 commandments.

2. The law was given to Israel and to those that dwelled with them. The law was never given to the gentiles or to the church.

3. The gentiles were never under the law (Acts 15).

4. No one kept the 4th commandment prior to Moses. There is no record in scripture.

5. God had two opportunities to give both Noah, the Noahic law, or Abraham, Abrahamic covenant the commandment to keep the sabbath holy but chose not to.

6. Jesus died in the cross for the sins of mankind. Those that accept Him by the grace of God through faith are justified (cleansed in the eyes of God).

7. Jesus sacrifice ushered in the new covenant which does not include the law or the 10 commandments.

8. Jesus gave us two love commandments and repeated 9 of the old commandments into them. The 4th commandment was not repeated so is not part of the new covenant.

9. Jesus fulfilled (completed) the law including the 4th commandment and became the Lord of not just the Sabbath but if everything else (Matt. 28:18).

The 4th commandment has not changed but instead it has been fulfilled.

 

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The mark of the beast is not implemented yet because we are free to keep the Sabbath commandment or choose something different like keep Sunday in lieu of the 4th commandment. There is no commandment to keep Sunday holy, this is nothing more than a tradition of man. There is a commandment to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy, written by God, spoken by God that comes with His power of blessings Exo20:3 Isa59:2 and sanctification Gen2:3 Eze20:12. We should worship God 365 24/7 which would include worshipping God on the first day of the week. However, if we are keeping Sunday as a holy day in lieu of keeping the 4th commandment a tradition of man, according to Jesus this principle is worshipping Him in vain, making the word of God of no effect. The mark does not become implemented until there is an enforced national Sunday law that is already in the works and where it prevents people from keeping the 4th commandment. Much like when there was a decree in the book of Daniel that prevented them from keeping one of God's commandments from this same unit Deut4:13 Exo20:6. Why this story is in the prophetic book of Daniel.

There are two parts of worship, we should worship God every day in praise, prayer, reading of His word and serving Him with our whole heart, part of worship though according to Jesus is obedience to the commandments of God. Are we subjecting ourselves to, God on His Authority who said Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:8-11 that keeping we know He is the Lord that sanctifies and a sign between Him and His people Eze20:20 why He placed His seal in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 the only God we are called to worship Rev14:7, in His spoken and written Testimony from God, or does one keep Sunday as a holy day in place of one of God's commandments. Whoever we obey is who we serve even if we do not think we are Rom6:16



The words of Jesus, not EGW or the SDA church


Mat 15:3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves also break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ From the Ten Commandments
Mat 15:6 he is not to honor his father or mother.’ And by this you have invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.


Mar 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Which commandment?
‘Honor your father and your mother’ (from the Ten Exo20:12 Deut4:13)

13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Jesus is not speaking of this one commandment as "the word of God" Its the whole Testimony of God Exo31:18 and while people may not agree the Sabbath is a commandment of God or not, that's fine, but God said it is and it comes with God's blessings and sanctification, that only He can give and man cannot take away Num23:20, because they are not God.

Jesus Himself defined false worship as laying aside the commandment of God making the word of God of no effect. How are we told we must worship Him?

John4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

All of God's commandments are Truth including the 4th commandment Psa119:151 because they were written by the Holy Spirit of Truth personally, first on stone than on the heart. Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Heb8:10

The end time battle is over our worship. Rev 13, Rev 14

Why we are called back to worship our Creator Exo20:11 Rev14:7 because most has obeyed something else as predicted Dan7:25 in place of what God said.

in the New Heaven and New Earth the Sabbath continues for worship for His saints- don't you think we ought to do the will of God now, His will is the same in heaven as it is on earth.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

You continue to read your pet doctrine into the same verses that have already been addressed many times before and you continue to post them hoping for a different outcome. There will not be a different outcome.

Both EGW and the SDA church do indeed teach that those that do not keep the sabbath or repent during their lifetime will, at the end of times resurrection, be given the mark of the beast. Don’t fool yourself by saying that it has not been implemented yet since that would be quite naive.

I’m still waiting for a verse showing that anyone kept the sabbath prior to Moses.

 

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You continue to read your pet doctrine into the same verses that have already been addressed many times before and you continue to post them hoping for a different outcome. There will not be a different outcome.

Both EGW and the SDA church do indeed teach that those that do not keep the sabbath or repent during their lifetime will, at the end of times resurrection, be given the mark of the beast. Don’t fool yourself by saying that it has not been implemented yet since that would be quite naive.

I’m still waiting for a verse showing that anyone kept the sabbath prior to Moses.

Sometimes I do not think you even know what you're posting or what your own position is, as it keeps changing.

Your accusation was worshipping God on Sunday is the mark of the beast which is not the same as

Both EGW and the SDA church do indeed teach that those that do not keep the sabbath at the end of times resurrection, be given the mark of the beast.

The mark of the beast is only given to those who are alive at the time it is enforced. At the resurrection our decision will have been sealed Rev22:11 If you can't quote EGW or the SDA church saying your above quote, this is at least the second or third time you made a claim about the SDA church that you have not been able to prove.

There is no Scripture that says we are saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 that we can rebel against one of God's commandments and be saved without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 This is a different argument than "worshipping God on a Sunday". God defines sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7, God defines His commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18, just because one decided to chisel out one of the commandments of God, He said to Remember and teach the opposite, to forget, doesn't mean God does. What God blessed Exo20:11 Isa59:2 man cannot reverse Num23:20 or edit God's own Testimony Exo31:18 Pro30:6 because we are not God.

These allegations will be sorted out soon enough by God.

 

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The covenant of the Ten Commandments was only made with the Israelites. Moses plainly said, Deuteronomy 5:3 , Jeremiah 31:32 “those led out of Egypt by Moses” Romans 9:4 “the giving of the law”
Psalm 47:19-20 “GOD did this WITH NO OTHER NATION“ Moses gave the law, if the law was given by Moses the it was unknown previously. John 1:17 Romans 5:13 since the Ten Commandments were unknown before Moses the sin of breaking them could not be on anyone’s account when there was no law as yet to condemn them. Galatians 3:19 the law was added until the arrival of the promised seed , Christ, it was administered through angels by the mediator Moses. Acts 7:53 Hebrews 2:2 The was given 430 years after Abraham, Galatians 3:17 To someone who is intent on keeping the Ten Commandments all these facts will mean nothing.

According to God, the Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11, where there was no Moses, no Jew, just man and God. Why the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 not "Jew". And if you think it took 430 years for God to tell one person not to worship other gods or murder our neighbor is not reading our Bibles because He condemned people for doing this way before Mt Sinai and said it was sin- where there is no law there is no sin Rom4:15 and only God can define the law that is sin when we break and He does 1John3:4 Rom7:7 James2:11 Mat5:19-30. The law that was added because of sin until the Seed cannot be the same law that describes what sin is. Obviously two different laws.

You are confusing the covenant (agreement) with the Law of God that only God can define what they are and He did plainly Exo20:6 Exo20:1-17 Exo31:18 why each one of these commandments on how to love God has God's name in it, not Moses, or anyone else because only God can tell us how we are to love and serve Him and how to love our neighbor Exo20:6 John14:15 1 John5:2-3 not based on mans "feelings" of what is right or wrong, but on God's everlasting righteousness (right and wrong) Psa 119:172 Isa56:1-2 Psa119:141 because again, we are not God, but are just supposed to serve Him Isa56:6

 

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Sometimes I do not think you even know what you're posting or what your own position is, as it keeps changing.

Your accusation was worshipping God on Sunday is the mark of the beast which is not the same as

Nope. That has never been my argument.

The mark of the beast is only given to those who are alive at the time it is enforced.

Which are the words of Ellen White and your church which I posted for discussion.

At the resurrection our decision will have been sealed Rev22:11

Which basically means that all professed Christians that did not keep the 4th commandment during their lifetime will receive the mark of the beast at the resurrection. Is that right?

If you can't quote EGW or the SDA church saying your above quote, this is at least the second or third time you made a claim about the SDA church that you have not been able to prove.

I did in my OP and in my post 73.

There is no Scripture that says we are saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 that we can rebel against one of God's commandments and be saved without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 This is a different argument than "worshipping God on a Sunday". God defines sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7, God defines His commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18, just because one decided to chisel out one of the commandments of God, He said to Remember and teach the opposite, to forget, doesn't mean God does. What God blessed Exo20:11 Isa59:2 man cannot reverse Num23:20 or edit God's own Testimony Exo31:18 Pro30:6 because we are not God.

Strawman. You need to study the actual effects of justification on the believer.

 

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Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.

My decision to engage the legalists is for the benefit of the Christians that only read our website. If we disengage then the only side they will read will be the side of the legalists. The discussions balances the views and exposes the perils of legalism.

I praise the Lord for getting you out of the clutches of legalism. Bless you.

 

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Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.

Not according to Jesus. He said If you love me KEEP My commandments John14:15 For this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments 1John5:3 Those who say they know Me and do not KEEP My commandments is a liar and has no truth in them. Jesus said the blind leading the blind is those who lay aside the commandments and instead depend on their own laws/traditions that replace God's. Mat15:3-15.


The only one who wants us not to keep His commandments and stay in our sins is the other spirit 1John3:8

 

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No according to Jesus. If you love me KEEP My commandments John14:15 For this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments 1John5:3 Those who say they know Me and do not KEEP My commandments is a liar and has no truth in them. The only one who wants us not to keep His commandments and stay in our sins is the other spirit 1John3:8

What is required for salvation?

 

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What is required for salvation?

We are saved by grace through faith. Some how the devil has deceived so many that faith means being disobedient to God and what He asks (His commandments) when its the opposite.

Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

 

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We are saved by grace through faith. Some how the devil has deceived so many that faith means being disobedient to God and what He asks (His commandments)

You don’t really believe that we are saved by grace through faith because you and your church also believed that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation. So you and your church believe in salvation by faith plus works.

 

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You don’t really believe that we are saved by grace through faith because you and your church also believed that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation. So you and your church believe in salvation by faith plus works.

That's what's faith is about, obeying God, God never separated the 4th commandment from the other 9 comamndment Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 Heb8:10 2Cor3:3. Why anyone comes to the conclusion we can break the law of God and continue in that path and that's an example of faith is not something I will ever understand. Not something Jesus ever taught. But we were warned about this type of teaching 1 Tim4:3-4

Disobedience to God and His commandments is rebellion, sin unbelief and disobedience Heb3:7-19. I already posted the words of Jesus, if one won't believe His plain teachings, nothing more I can say.

 

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That's what's faith is about, obeying God,

No. Faith is belief in the Lord and who He is. Here is the definition pistis which if faith in Greek and the definition used for the purposes of scripture.

Strong’s Definitions
πίστις pístis, pis'-tis; from G3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:—assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 244x
The KJV translates Strong's G4102 in the following manner: faith (239x), assurance (1x), believe (with G1537) (1x), belief (1x), them that believe (1x), fidelity (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
   1. relating to God
      1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
   2. relating to Christ
      1. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
   3. the religious beliefs of Christians
   4. belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
2. fidelity, faithfulness
   1. the character of one who can be relied on

disobedience to God and His commandments is rebellion, sin unbelief and disobedience Heb3:7-19.

No. You are again reading your pet doctrines into scriptures. Heb. 3 speaks about the disobedience and disbelieve of Israel which caused them the “rest” of entering into the promise land.

I already posted the words of Jesus, if one won't believe His plain teachings, nothing I can say is gonna make a difference.

No. You posted your interpretation of the words of Jesus. Big difference. You still believe that salvation is by faith plus works of the law.

I know your church follows the dietary laws. Is it a sin not to follow the dietary laws?