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Sometimes I do not think you even know what you're posting or what your own position is, as it keeps changing.

Your accusation was worshipping God on Sunday is the mark of the beast which is not the same as
Nope. That has never been my argument.
The mark of the beast is only given to those who are alive at the time it is enforced.
Which are the words of Ellen White and your church which I posted for discussion.
At the resurrection our decision will have been sealed Rev22:11
Which basically means that all professed Christians that did not keep the 4th commandment during their lifetime will receive the mark of the beast at the resurrection. Is that right?

If you can't quote EGW or the SDA church saying your above quote, this is at least the second or third time you made a claim about the SDA church that you have not been able to prove.
I did in my OP and in my post 73.
There is no Scripture that says we are saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 that we can rebel against one of God's commandments and be saved without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 This is a different argument than "worshipping God on a Sunday". God defines sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7, God defines His commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18, just because one decided to chisel out one of the commandments of God, He said to Remember and teach the opposite, to forget, doesn't mean God does. What God blessed Exo20:11 Isa59:2 man cannot reverse Num23:20 or edit God's own Testimony Exo31:18 Pro30:6 because we are not God.
Strawman. You need to study the actual effects of justification on the believer.
 
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Sometimes I do not think you even know what you're posting or what your own position is, as it keeps changing.

Your accusation was worshipping God on Sunday is the mark of the beast which is not the same as


The mark of the beast is only given to those who are alive at the time it is enforced. At the resurrection our decision will have been sealed Rev22:11 If you can't quote EGW or the SDA church saying your above quote, this is at least the second or third time you made a claim about the SDA church that you have not been able to prove.

There is no Scripture that says we are saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 that we can rebel against one of God's commandments and be saved without repenting and turning from. Pro28:13 This is a different argument than "worshipping God on a Sunday". God defines sin 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7, God defines His commandments Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Exo31:18, just because one decided to chisel out one of the commandments of God, He said to Remember and teach the opposite, to forget, doesn't mean God does. What God blessed Exo20:11 Isa59:2 man cannot reverse Num23:20 or edit God's own Testimony Exo31:18 Pro30:6 because we are not God.

These allegations will be sorted out soon enough by God.
Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.
 
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Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.
My decision to engage the legalists is for the benefit of the Christians that only read our website. If we disengage then the only side they will read will be the side of the legalists. The discussions balances the views and exposes the perils of legalism.

I praise the Lord for getting you out of the clutches of legalism. Bless you.
 
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Law keeping, Sabbath keepers or legalism is a very powerful deception. I was caught up in this myself for ten years. I know that they will go to extremes to defend themselves by bending and twisting scripture until it breaks. Unless GOD opens their eyes they will remain in ignorance. You and i are wasting our time with them. They will only aggravate the daylights out of you. Stop casting pearls. Let the blind lead the blind to their predetermined destination.
Not according to Jesus. He said If you love me KEEP My commandments John14:15 For this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments 1John5:3 Those who say they know Me and do not KEEP My commandments is a liar and has no truth in them. Jesus said the blind leading the blind is those who lay aside the commandments and instead depend on their own laws/traditions that replace God's. Mat15:3-15.


The only one who wants us not to keep His commandments and stay in our sins is the other spirit 1John3:8
 
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No according to Jesus. If you love me KEEP My commandments John14:15 For this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments 1John5:3 Those who say they know Me and do not KEEP My commandments is a liar and has no truth in them. The only one who wants us not to keep His commandments and stay in our sins is the other spirit 1John3:8
What is required for salvation?
 
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What is required for salvation?
We are saved by grace through faith. Some how the devil has deceived so many that faith means being disobedient to God and what He asks (His commandments) when its the opposite.

Heb 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
 
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We are saved by grace through faith. Some how the devil has deceived so many that faith means being disobedient to God and what He asks (His commandments)
You don’t really believe that we are saved by grace through faith because you and your church also believed that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation. So you and your church believe in salvation by faith plus works.
 
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You don’t really believe that we are saved by grace through faith because you and your church also believed that keeping the sabbath is necessary for salvation. So you and your church believe in salvation by faith plus works.
That's what's faith is about, obeying God, God never separated the 4th commandment from the other 9 comamndment Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6 Heb8:10 2Cor3:3. Why anyone comes to the conclusion we can break the law of God and continue in that path and that's an example of faith is not something I will ever understand. Not something Jesus ever taught. But we were warned about this type of teaching 1 Tim4:3-4

Disobedience to God and His commandments is rebellion, sin unbelief and disobedience Heb3:7-19. I already posted the words of Jesus, if one won't believe His plain teachings, nothing more I can say.
 
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That's what's faith is about, obeying God,
No. Faith is belief in the Lord and who He is. Here is the definition pistis which if faith in Greek and the definition used for the purposes of scripture.

Strong’s Definitions
πίστις pístis, pis'-tis; from G3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:—assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 244x
The KJV translates Strong's G4102 in the following manner: faith (239x), assurance (1x), believe (with G1537) (1x), belief (1x), them that believe (1x), fidelity (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
    1. relating to God
      1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
    2. relating to Christ
      1. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
    3. the religious beliefs of Christians
    4. belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
  2. fidelity, faithfulness
    1. the character of one who can be relied on
disobedience to God and His commandments is rebellion, sin unbelief and disobedience Heb3:7-19.
No. You are again reading your pet doctrines into scriptures. Heb. 3 speaks about the disobedience and disbelieve of Israel which caused them the “rest” of entering into the promise land.
I already posted the words of Jesus, if one won't believe His plain teachings, nothing I can say is gonna make a difference.
No. You posted your interpretation of the words of Jesus. Big difference. You still believe that salvation is by faith plus works of the law.

I know your church follows the dietary laws. Is it a sin not to follow the dietary laws?
 
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How does one profess to believe Jesus but not His sayings (Teachings) enough to do them. Jesus asked this same question....

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Guess it will get sorted out soon enough.
 
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How does one profess to believe Jesus but not His sayings (Teachings) enough to do them. Jesus asked this same question....

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Guess it will get sorted out soon enough.
The foundation is Jesus. Paul explains how our works are judged and the outcome. The foundation is the key.

“According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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The foundation is Jesus. Paul explains how our works are judged and the outcome. The foundation is the key.

“According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
That's right and Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John14:15

Jesus said to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat4:4

Jesus who is God, before He became flesh said, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth:

Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God , the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13 (never said this about any other day, but did say I am the Lord, I do not change Mal3:6 Heb13:8)

Building our house on the Word of God that comes with His power of Blessings Exo20:11 Isa59:2 and sanctification Gen2:3 Eze20:12 and His seal Exo20:11 Eze20:20 is building our house on Jesus John 1:1 because without His blessings and sanctification, we really are nothing Isa66:17 and no man can take away God's blessings or sanctification despite their objections to it, because they are not God.

God's Testimony Exo31:18 contained Ten Commandments Deut4:13 Exo34:28 and when we lay aside the commandment of God we make the Word of God of no effect Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

God said Remember, man says forget. My Father wrote His Laws in my heart and by faith I am going to believe He did not forget the one commandment He said Remember, that He said is holy and comes with His blessings that man cannot reverse Num23:20.

We are saved by grace through faith, the grace part is how we are saved, the faith part which is though our actions proves if our faith is genuine or not. Anyone can say Lord Lord, I believe Jesus is looking for more, to do His good will Mat7:21-23 Psa40:8 not to be saved, but that's how someone who is saved lives Rev14:12 which reconciles Rev22:14


By the way this is Jesus speaking on how to build our foundation on Him. not sure why you went to Paul instead when all he said is we build our foundation on Jesus, but Jesus tells us how to do that plainly. It was never left upon us to define, God defines, like He does everything else if one allows Him to.

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Guess we shall all find out soon enough. Time for me to move along.
 
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My decision to engage the legalists is for the benefit of the Christians that only read our website. If we disengage then the only side they will read will be the side of the legalists. The discussions balances the views and exposes the perils of legalism.

I praise the Lord for getting you out of the clutches of legalism. Bless you.
Jesus saves us from the Ten Commandments. Should we if saved go back to the very thing we needed saved from. Isn’t sin the transgression of the law, the Ten Commandments ? Isn’t the wages of breaking the Ten Commandments death ? Doesn’t the letter written on stone kill ? Isn’t the Ten Commandments the ministry of death ? Keeping the Ten Commandments cannot provide salvation. I can prove to a Christian that all people are under the Ten Commandments until they come to Christ. Law keepers cling to the very thing that kills them while claiming to be in Christ who saves them from what they cling to. Law keepers are like the dog returning to its own vomit or the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. Law keepers ignorantly spit in the face of Christ. Scripture says we are bought with a price, we are a purchased possession, what were we bought from, purchased from, it is the old covenant, the Ten Commandments. The only way out from under the death sentence of the Ten Commandments is if a price was paid so that we can PASSOVER into a new covenant. The price was the life of the son of GOD. Law keepers don’t understand and sadly there are others that have only partial knowledge . For ALL, Jews and Gentiles, have sinned, the whole world is guilty before GOD. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, the ministry of death, kills everyone under them but the church is not under the Ten Commandments, the church is under the two Commandments Jesus Christ gave. This is the truth.
JESUS CHRIST SAVES US FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
 
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Jesus saves so we can worship someone else and murder our brother? The wages of sin is death Rom6:23 the Ten Commandments is the ministry of death because its sin when we break and deserve the death penalty. If we are under the ministry of Christ (and only He knows who truly is) than we would be keeping the commandments through Him John14:15-18 John15:10 1John2:6 not breaking them, those that do, without trying to turn from Pro 28:13 John3:19-21 Heb10:26-30 are not in Him Rom8:7-8 1John2:4 Mat7:23

The Law of God was never the issue its perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 written by the Holy Spirit, the issue is mans heart.

The summary of the two commandments, love God with all our heart and love our neighbor is the Ten Commandments Deut6:1-5 Rom13:9 God defines love to Him Exo20:6 John14:15 1 John5:2-3 its not based on our feelings, its really an action of faith.
 
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Jesus saves so we can worship someone else and murder our brother? The wages of sin is death Rom6:23 the Ten Commandments is the ministry of death because its sin when we break and deserve the death penalty. If we are under the ministry of Christ (and only He knows who truly is) than we would be keeping the commandments through Him John14:15-18 John15:10 1John2:6 not breaking them, those that do, without trying to turn from Pro 28:13 Heb10:26-30 are not in Him Rom8:7-8 1John2:4 Mat7:23

The Law of God was never the issue its perfect Psa19:7, holy, just and good Rom7:12 the issue is mans heart.

The summary of the two commandments, love God with all our heart and love our neighbor is the Ten Commandments Deut6:1-5 Rom13:9 God defines love to Him Exo20:6 John14:15 1 John5:2-3 its not based on our feelings, its really an action of faith.
You are dead in your sins because you put yourself under the Ten Commandments that are unalterable and do not provide life. The Ten Commandments are the old covenant that condemns everyone to death. You cannot see this, your mind has been seared with a hot iron. You can’t keep the Ten Commandments, no one can and this is why all have sinned. True Christians are saved from the condemnation of the Ten Commandments and have been bought out of the old covenant and are now in the new covenant. You are in the old covenant and have yet to understand the new covenant. Hentenza can deal with you because I am done with you.
 
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That's right and Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John14:15
So you agree with Paul that even those whose works burned up are still saved right? And, if course, “MY” commandments are Jesus two commandments that the believer keeps from salvation and partnership with the Holy Spirit for the sanctification process.

Salvation is BY the free grace of God through faith in the Son. Not by works. No one can work for God’s free grace otherwise grace would not be free.
Jesus said to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat4:4
Yep. So now you are adding that to what is required for salvation. Once again, salvation by faith plus works.
Jesus who is God, before He became flesh said, written by the Holy Spirit of Truth:

Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God , the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13 (never said this about any other day, but did say I am the Lord, I do not change Mal3:6 Heb13:8)
So the sabbath is also required for salvation. Mmmm you only give lip service to salvation by faith. You pitch salvation by faith plus works. Your church’s statement about salvation by faith is a lie.
Building our house on the Word of God
That is not what it says. The foundation is in Christ and the works are the ones prepared in advance for the believer to do (Eph. 2). The rest of your post is your usual blah, blah that I’ve addressed hundreds of times.

I asked you a question in a previous post that you ignored. In your sectarian views, is not keeping the dietary laws a sin?
 
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You are dead in your sins because you put yourself under the Ten Commandments that are unalterable and do not provide life. The Ten Commandments are the old covenant that condemns everyone to death. You cannot see this, your mind has been seared with a hot iron. You can’t keep the Ten Commandments, no one can and this is why all have sinned. True Christians are saved from the condemnation of the Ten Commandments and have been bought out of the old covenant and are now in the new covenant. You are in the old covenant and have yet to understand the new covenant. Hentenza can deal with you because I am done with you.
I love Jesus and He said if you love Me keep My commandments John14:15 Exxo20:6

I see your words in your posts, Jesus tells us to live by His words Mat4:4

Be well
 
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I love Jesus and He said if you love Me keep My commandments John14:15 Exxo20:6

I see your words in your posts, Jesus tells us to live by His words Mat4:4

Be well
Historical Context for Exodus 20:6:

““I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The audience and the peoples being addressed here is Israel. At no point in these verses is God speaking to the gentiles or the church. Another reading your pet doctrine into verses. This one is called appropriating a verse outside of context.
 
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Historical Context for Exodus 20:6:

““I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The audience and the peoples being addressed here is Israel. At no point in these verses is God speaking to the gentiles or the church. Another reading your pet doctrine into verses. This one is called appropriating a verse outside of context.
Its an allegory of He being our deliver of bondage (sin), why the NT draws on this experience Heb3:7-19, which is what Jesus is drawing us out from sin Mat1:21 and the whole wilderness experience was an example for us on what not to do why many never entered into their promised land of rest Eze20:15-16 and why we are told not to follow in the same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter into ours Rev22:14

Jesus already addressed the Gentile church in His own Words


Its the same Lord your God because God does not change.
 
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Its an allegory of He being our deliver of bondage (sin), why the NT draws on this experience Heb3:7-19, which is what Jesus is drawing us out from sin Mat1:21 and the whole wilderness experience was an example for us on what not to do why many never entered into their promised land of rest Eze20:15-16 and why we are told not to follow in the same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter into ours Rev22:14

Jesus already addressed the Gentile church in His own Words


Its the same Lord your God because God does not change.
The only way that the son of the foreigner or the foreigners themselves to join themselves to the Lord was to convert to Judaism during those times. Scripture talks plenty about the gentiles dwelling with Israel. They do not constitute the gentiles collectively nor does it refer to the church that Jesus founded. Again, you are reading your pet doctrine into scripture.
 
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