Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Andrewn said:

. Do you believe this annihilation is immediately after death, or is it at the Last Judgment?

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I believe at the last judgement. Christ called it the second death.

Andrewn said:

And if at the Last Judgment, what is the condition of the psyche until the final judgment, unconscious or being in some sort of torment?

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I believe there is a gulf as Christ described. And I believe after Christ was quickened/made alive in the Spirit he went to that side to preach to the spirits in prison.

JulieB67 said:

I believe there is a gulf as Christ described. And I believe after Christ was quickened/made alive in the Spirit he went to that side to preach to the spirits in prison.

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Thank you for the explanation. I'm trying to think how this scenario would fit with my understanding that distinguishes the soul / psyche / nefesh and the spirit / pneuma / ruach

1Pe 4:6 For this was the reason the Good News was proclaimed even to those now dead, so that though they are judged in the flesh before humans, they might live in the Ruach before God. (TLV)

It seems that the Lord Jesus went in the spirit and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison. So, here, as in the parable of Rich and Lazarus, the spirits are conscious.

Do you believe those in the spirit prison have a chance to repent and go to paradise?

Andrewn said:

So, here, as in the parable of Rich and Lazarus, the spirits are conscious.

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He was talking to the captive rebellious elohim

Andrewn said:

Do you believe those in the spirit prison have a chance to repent and go to paradise?

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Sorry, I was at work but Christ taught them the gospel so it stands to reason they were given a chance after Christ died and rose again. For what other reason would he preach the good news to them? What are your beliefs? I know many believe in soul sleep but I don't see why Christ would even mention a gulf that divides them. Yes, it's a parable but I believe the gulf is based in reality.

SarahsKnight said:

Thus it has become evident to me that that image is an extremely carnal one that desires neverending vengeance over any Godly sense of justice, but with those such as Hentenza and Dan1998, they mistakenly assume that endless vengeance is God's brand of justice against sin and iniquity, when Scripture simply has not indictated that.

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Hey, it's about Good Guys and Bad Guys. We're the Good Guys (whoever "we" are). They're the Bad Guys (whoever "they" are). We want the Bad Guys tortured forever an our (Good) Guys rewarded for being such superior critters. You don't think so? Well just you wait and see, sinner-boy. We'll see who's laughing then, won't we? We deserve to win because you're probably OK and I know I am.

SarahsKnight said:

And it just seems odd to me when they claim in so many ways that Jesus Himself was all for eternal torment, when He is the same Man who taught us to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you", AND rebuked one of His disciples when he used a sword to strike off the ear of one of the folk who had come to arrest Him and eventually lead Him to a painful death at the cross!

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That was then, but the Revelation gave us a dramatically different image of Jesus. No more love and forgiveness, just mass slaughter. Not a subject I'm willing to pursue, as I see no possible way for any good to come of it,

timothyu said:

He was talking to the captive rebellious elohim

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I hadn't heard that idea offered before. Interesting.

Dan1988 said:

The Word of God is a sweet smelling aroma to those of "us' who believe. But it is the stench of death to the unbelievers. The unbelievers can't obey any commandment, because they hate god and all of His commandments. God knows this and He doesn't expect them to obey, He knows it's impossible for them to obey.

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So they're just proeprogrammed NPCs, wandering around committing sins for the devout to take a dim view of. Never real people at all.

Jipsah said:

That was then, but the Revelation gave us a dramatically different image of Jesus. No more love and forgiveness, just mass slaughter. Not a subject I'm willing to pursue, as I see no possible way for any good to come of it,

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Well, that's definitely the picture of Jesus that the Left Behind writers and fans want us to have, yes.

Dan1988 said:

Let me assure you that God is not seeking your advice, or approval for anything He does. In fact you have nothing to offer Him at all, so it's not as though His Church is missing your service.

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And the same may as easily b said of you, so you don't really accrue many Eternal Life Brownie Points for having been created a Good Guy instead of a Bad Guy, do you? It's also worth pondering whether one can actually know which uniform they're wearing.

Dan1988 said:

The Bible doctrine of "Eternal Conscious Torment" is abundantly clear.

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Sure, once you accept your belief that God created 2 different kinds of beings to populate this planet. Real People who were created to live forever in God's realm, and Evil Robots who exist only as foils to the Real People and to be maintained as object lessons to the Real People They illustrate to the Real People that He could as easily have made them Evil Robots doomed to be tormented forever so as to demonstrate to the Real People how fortunate they are the God didn't decide to give them the same treatment He gives the Evil Robots.

Dan1988 said:

You just can't get around it, because Jesus did describe it in great detail.

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Except that He said that the Father could destroy us in hell. Oh, I forgot, He didn't really mean destroy, He really meant something else that wouldn't interfere with your doctrine.

Dan1988 said:

And yes it is eternal torment, and yes the pain of burning alive is not metaphorical, it's just as real as we feel it in this life, only mush worse than we can imagine.

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"Praise ye the Lord, Whose hatred/malice/vengeance/viciousness endure forever."

Dan1988 said:

It's not healthy or safe to for you to put yourself in Gods place, and say it's not fair.

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But it is fair for you to paint God as a malevolent oriental despot. Right.

Dan1988 said:

but les not pretend that God has to obey our dictates

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I'm grateful for that,

Dan1988 said:

and lets remember that His ways are infinitely higher than ours,

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THat doesn't appear to be the way you actually view it.

Dan1988 said:

If I could encourage you in anything, it would be to trust in the Lord

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Because He's either created you to live forever in Heaven or live forever in Hell. Not a thing you can do about it either way, so do whatever you feel like doing; it makes not an iota of difference in the end.

Dan1988 said:

I'm not going to give you a long list of scriptures confirming the bible doctrine of hell, because I feel you won't approach them to be edified or instructed, but you will instead try to deny them.

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Doesn't matter in any case, does it? You're an NPC that does what the code make it do.