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Pro's and con's of using AI in political debate.

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From AI is a valuable - easy reference system, similar to using Google, but faster to "I despise AI’s instant citations — they rob me of my noble art of winning debates through trivia hoarding and grammar policing, the true pillars of intellectual dominance."

Thoughts?

The AI system I use includes citations, so I'm pretty confident on the material.

What do you think?
 
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I see no issues with using AI. The issue I see is simply quoting AI as an authoritative source. Like any other tool AI has strengths and weaknesses. If you do not account for those then the tool can and will steer you in the wrong direction.
 
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I just don’t like being replied to with just an AI response. If you give some of your own thoughts in a reply and use ai as a tool to back up the points you are making then that’s ok but just a straight up canned response copied and pasted from google or whatever ai source is going to be ignored by me.

I come here because I have a pretty good feeling most everyone here is a real person with actual opinions. It’s much more communal and personal here than the thousands of random people replying on social media platforms. If we start replying to each other with ai answers we kill what makes a site like this worth coming to.
 
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From AI is a valuable - easy reference system, similar to using Google, but faster to "I despise AI’s instant citations — they rob me of my noble art of winning debates through trivia hoarding and grammar policing, the true pillars of intellectual dominance."

Thoughts?

The AI system I use includes citations, so I'm pretty confident on the material.

What do you think?
Fine to use in finding a source to back up your own thoughts. But then quote the source. If its just "AI says....", then who knows what its worth.

Mainly I want to hear people's own thoughts about things. Thats primary. Sources are important but secondary.
 
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The trouble with Large Language Models in their current form is that, unless they cite their sources, I don't know where they're getting their information from.

If I do a google search and see a link to the Mayo Clinic website, then I know the value of that information. If I see a link to a Facebook post, then that tells me something different. Unless the LLM tells me whether it's quoting a professional's expertise or a random guy's tweet on X, I don't trust the information. When someone on CF posts "According to AI, ...", I interpret that as "Here are some grammatically correct sentences I found on the Internet. They may or may not be true." And I skip it.
 
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The trouble with Large Language Models in their current form is that, unless they cite their sources, I don't know where they're getting their information from.
There is also the added bonus of AI fabricating citations from whole cloth when tasked with something.
 
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AI in it's most used form is little more than a glorified search engine that you can talk to like a person. It's still susceptible to GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) because it can't discern what's accurate information and what is misinformation.

If you wouldn't respond to a post with a list of google search results there's really no reason whatsoever to respond with the output of an AI prompt.
 
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There is also the added bonus of AI fabricating citations from whole cloth when tasked with something.
can you cite an example please?
 
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From AI is a valuable - easy reference system, similar to using Google, but faster to "I despise AI’s instant citations — they rob me of my noble art of winning debates through trivia hoarding and grammar policing, the true pillars of intellectual dominance."

Thoughts?

The AI system I use includes citations, so I'm pretty confident on the material.

What do you think?

I don’t come online to win debate! So, I don’t care about citation or accuracy.
 
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The problem lies in the name: Artificial Intelligence. It implies to the unwary that something like actual intelligence has been achieved, which it has not. A better name for it might be Simulated Intelligence
 
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From AI is a valuable - easy reference system, similar to using Google, but faster to "I despise AI’s instant citations — they rob me of my noble art of winning debates through trivia hoarding and grammar policing, the true pillars of intellectual dominance."

Thoughts?

The AI system I use includes citations, so I'm pretty confident on the material.

What do you think?
Check the citations yourself.
 
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Check the citations yourself.
I do quite often. In fact I often go to the citations and link them like I organically found the article. You cannot tell the difference when I do that.
 
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There is also the added bonus of AI fabricating citations from whole cloth when tasked with something.

I don’t provide citations often because people only trust sources that align with their views. For example, conservatives dismiss MSNBC or CNN as fake news, while liberals react the same way to Fox News. Facts and logic are now often seen through a political lens. If someone wants to believe the earth is flat or that COVID-19 is a hoax, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

The same applies to AI: regardless of how many facts AI gathers or whether those facts are supported by citations, some individuals will accept them while others will choose to dismiss them.

The same data and facts are interpreted differently depending on an individual's ideology.
 
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Probably the number one thing I care about in discussion is people being able to express their own thoughts. So even if you get your thoughts from somewhere else. You make them your own by being able to say them in your own words.
 
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Probably the number one thing I care about in discussion is people being able to express their own thoughts. So even if you get your thoughts from somewhere else. You makes them your own by being able to say them in your own words.
Its a bonus if youre either entertaining or hold special expertise on a topic, like some people here do.
 
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1) If there are citations provided for AI information that's okay as a one off. But if a poster insist on just replying to me with AI repeatedly, I'm not interested in that at all. If they use it to FIND citations, put things in their own words, I also got no problem with that.

This whole "winning and losing" thing is ridiculously juvenile to me.

2) I also am not a fan of the "ai" avalanche (which, as someone else said, is a bit of a Bernoli's Law thing going on).
Give me ONE argument to address.
 
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  • Be sure to credit AI when copying and pasting AI sources.
 
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AI in the realm of political debates is a "pros vs. cons" in the unique aspect of "one man's pros is another man's cons"


Political debates have a certain performative element, and a certain ego element.

For many, actually finding the right answer is only a tertiary goal

In college I took a debate course, and the instructor did a very unique exercise with the class.

To prove that "having the right answer" wasn't the top priority, he picked 3 topics, and debated from the "obviously wrong" position against three volunteers (one was about the moon landing being fake or not, I don't recall what the other two were), he proceeded to mop the floor all 3.

And then explained how memorized (contextually lacking) factoids, the ability to quickly raise points of doubt about the opponents assertions, and the ability to do those things calmy and confidently were the keys to winning.

AI eliminates two of the three "points of prowess". So people who were used to having certain advantages, no longer enjoy those advantages, and they don't seem to like it too much.


While I can be sympathetic to some of the nuanced critiques of AI (there are valid concerns about accuracy at this point in the game, though it's getting better by the day... and Agentic AI is going to be a game changer -- it will be to regular AI, what regular AI is to Ask Jeeves lol)


When people get downright hostile about AI use in debates, it resembles a similar psychological headspace as people who (back in the day when social media was first taking off, and became a new way to have a public argument in front of an audience) would be in an argument/debate online and would get frustrated and say "Well, I bet you wouldn't say that to my face or I'd knock you out!!!" ...because they were comfortable with the old arrangement where they had that "easy button" they could push to "win" an argument by shutting up the other person, and the new tech innovation took that away from them.

The same is true with this situation.

AI bridges "ignorance gaps" (notice I didn't say "stupidity", I said "ignorance", they're two different things) in a way that's uncomfortable for people who invested a lot of time into getting certain pieces of information committed to memory "the hard way".


Just to use a simplistic example. If I was debating a lawyer about the law or a doctor about medicine, they spent years and years reading and re-reading and re-reading again to be able to build up that "intellectual muscle memory" and knowledge to be able to pull out that factoid or case study from the mental rolodex, on-demand and sound smart and important in front of other people... I get it, it's a good feeling and looks impressive. When a tool comes along that allows someone who didn't invest all that time into it, to retrieve that same information just a quickly, they'd not happy campers about that "loss of edge" they once enjoyed.

I honest feel that in my lifetime (maybe even in the next 15 years), we'll see instances of Agentic AI bots acting as legal representation for people in court, and diagnosing and prescribing medicines in a medical environment.
 
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