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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Do you actually keep the Sabbath as outlined in the 4th commandment?


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Jesus said He did not come to destroy the Law or Prophets... Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled

This truly cannot be stated more plainly.

Jesus never said until some things are fulfilled- He clearly said ALL things and He did not come to destroy His Prophets prophecies yet to be fulfilled such as His foretold Second Coming, prophecies that have yet to be fufilled.

Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death forever, And the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces; The rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth; For the Lord has spoken.

Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Therefore...
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

If one wishes the blessings in Mat5 is just for Jews and believe whoever is just Jews and Gentiles are free to commit adultery or murder- the two commandments He immediately quoted from to know what commandments He was referring to which not a jot or tittle shall pass (yet alone a whole commandment or two) and we are not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Exo20:1-17 as it effects our status in heaven, Same thing He said Mat7:21-23 Rev22:14-15 obviously Jesus fulfilling the law doesn't mean His saints do not have to keep them through love and faith Rom 8:4,7 Rev14:12 Mat15:3-14 Mat5:19-30 Mat19:17-19 John15:10 1 John5:3 John14:15 Mat7:21-23 1John2:3-6 Rev22:14-15 etc
 
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The law is mentioned three times. Once in respect to circumcision,

I can see how a person might make this mistake, But the Biblical Truth is that Paul calls the promoters and followers of the "Jews religion" the Circumcision, "made with hands". I posted the Scriptures, but perhaps you didn't read them. He also called men who didn't follow the "Jews Religion", the "uncircumcision". He also called the Body of Christ, the True Circumcision and that Jesus was "a Minister of this circumcision", "The truth of God". I posted the Inspired Words of God showing His Truth here as well, but you didn't acknowledge these verses either, I'm not sure why.

The implication of this teaching is that the disciples would go up to a man, pull his pants down to see of his foreskin was still intact, and if it was would declare, "Paul, this ones for you", and if it wasn't, they would declare, "Peter, this ones for you".

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of "the uncircumcision" was committed unto me, as the gospel "of the circumcision" was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, (Non-Jews) and they unto the circumcision. (Jews)

Consider the meaning of the following scripture, viewed through the prism of this popular religious philosophy you are promoting.

1 Cor. 7: 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

If I view this through the prism you are promoting, that every mention of "circumcision" is a reference to God's LAW, then this verse would mean:

19 God's Commandments mean nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


I don't believe this is what Paul was teaching, even though this world's religious system imply that it is.

But if I view this scriptures though the prism of Paul's teaching, this verse would mean,

Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

once in respect to not fellowshipping with unbelievers.

Again, there wasn't a LAW against eating with unbelievers, if that was true, Israel would have been condemned in Egypt, as they were unbelievers as well. And Caleb and Joshua would have had to separate themselves from 598,000 Israelites, who God Himself, Paul and Jesus said were not believers. The Prophets would not have been allowed to rebuke and warn the Israelites, who were unbelievers.

And the Galatians Paul is speaking to here, had already received the Spirit of God as Paul clearly points out in the beginning of chapter 3. This means they had already "repented, turned to God, and were bringing works worthy of repentance" as Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile. Also, they had already obeyed God because Peter and the Holy Spirit both testified that the Holy Spirit is a Spirit "whom God hath given to them that obey him."

So the popular religious philosophy you are promoting, that Peter was sitting with "unbelievers" in Gal. 1 cannot be true, unless I reject both his, and Paul's teaching. Not only that, but there is nowhere in the Text where Paul, Peter or God calls the Galatians in question, "Unbelievers". You injected this word into the text. That is a simple Biblical fact. Why would you do that?

And once in respect to incorporating their ways.

Whose ways? Where in the bible is it written that the Pharisees obeyed God's Ways? They might have obeyed a couple, even satan obeys some of God's laws from time to time. Jesus even said of these "children of the devil" HE called hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

Your entire premise is founded on 2 things.

#1. God's Laws were against Jesus, Paul and the Body of Christ.

#2. The Pharisees were trying to earn Salvation by obeying God's Laws.

Both philosophies, though popular, are not supported by Paul's teaching, nor that of Jesus, nor the Law and Prophets. This teaching in wrought in the heart of man, not God, according to my understanding of the Scriptures that I have posted for our examination and discernment. Scriptures I might add, that you refuse to even acknowledge.

As Paul teaches:

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

For there is no respect of persons with God.


All of which is said in relation to how the Law does not make one righteous IF NOT through the Faith of Jesus Christ. If righteousness came by circumcision, not fellowshipping with unbelievers and not incorperating their ways, the Law, the Book of the Law then Christ died in vain.

Yes, if Salvation relied on a circumcision, "made with hands", and only given to men born with Jewish DNA, and only given to men who adopt this world's religious system, then truly Jesus died in vain. But the Book of the LAW commands that we abstain from doing all these things. Why aren't you teaching this truth.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness "is righteous", even as he is righteous.

Though it is no longer in place, Not once in the entire letter is the sacrificial system mention let alone chapter 2.

If you take Galatians, separate it from the rest of the entire Bible, ALL of Jesus' Words and actions defining the "Jews Religion" and all of Paul's other letters, then create religious doctrines based on it alone, then your statement might have some merit.

Until you would have to deal with finding the LAW that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, that was ADDED "Because of transgression of God's Laws", and that was only to be force until the Christ came. You are preaching that this Law Paul is speaking to included "Circumcision". And the 10 Commandments, and the Judgments concerning Clean animals and the Feasts of the Lord.

I can show you in Scriptures where God's Law of Circumcision, Adultery, murder, Clean and unclean animals and God's Holy Sabbath, and I would argue even Passover, was known and honored by Noah and Abraham long before Moses. And to deny that the Pharisees didn't promote their version of the Levitical Priesthood in Paul's time is foolishness, in my view. Do you think Noah or Abraham butchered a pig for dinner, or fired up the grill on Sabbath morning and fried up some sausage and bacon for breakfast? I think not. But I know one thing for sure, they didn't take a goat to the Levite Priest and kill it for their sins, as that LAW wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham. Levi wasn't even born until after Abraham died. Why can't you accept these undeniable Biblical Truths?



It is NOT the context. Since you did not actually address the points shared in the post but attempted to talk over it I will repost it until you take the time to read it and address the points shared within the context. Whether you do or not will be seen. I hope you do.

I addressed specifically your philosophy. I posted both Jesus' and Isaiah description of the Jews who were bewitching the Galatians. A beseeched you to consider their words. I asked you question after question. You know I did, and yet now you say I didn't.

Paul mentions Circumcision in respect to Titus not being circumcised,

But neither Titus *** was compelled to be circumcised:

I addressed this specifically, and yet you accuse me of not addressing it. Why would you do such a thing?

Judeans not living as the Gentiles live but as do the Jews, and being separate from those who are not Jews in chapter 2 of Galatians.

Live as what Jews? Those Jews "Bewitching the Galatians"? Or the Jews who had "Yielded themselves servants to obey God"? I addressed this specifically, and yet you preach to others that I didn't.
All of these are laws which are within the Book of the Law that is mentioned in verse 3:10. Ergo the law mentioned that does not justify is the Book of the Law. As it is written, the just (the righteous) live out of faith vs 11, the faith that establishes the law. The faith Abraham had. For the word, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law is in our heart and in our mouth that we do it.

And yet you accuse me of not addressing these things. What Law of God is that?

That is the word of faith that we preach and must hear. The Law, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are in our hearts and minds. He has given us His Spirit to cause us to walk in in His way. For the written Law on Stone and parchment made no one righteous, not one. But the Lord has said, I will circumcise thy heart and the heart of thy seed. The circumcision made without hands, cutting away the sins of the flesh, that we can serve the living God. Not by the letter, the knowledge of sin. But by the Spirit. For the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life..

I specifically addressed this, and asked you a question, that you refused to answer. And yet you preach to the world that I didn't address it.



For that which was on the outside, the Law on stone and parchment is within. We are new creature begotten by the Word of truth. So Let us not forget what manner man we are now, or are to be, and be a doer of the Word that we are begotten of and not a hearer only deceiving ourselves. For we have conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Begotten by the Word of truth. Jam 1 and Rom 8

My friend and friends there are some truths shared in the post that you might not of took noticed to. I will repost it again and highlight one in particular which should have raised questions from you.

Your sermon on Galatians has raised many questions from me that I asked you specifically about. And how many did you answer Sir? Not One.
 
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Let's start here.

If we who have been baptized into Christ, have put on Christ and there is no more Jew or Gentile, Bondman or free, Male or Female, then any law pertaining to these categories is not on this list you seek.

That actually entails a lot.

I have to go, Any questions?
my question was more about which laws of the Old Testament pass over to the new. But I think you understood my question; you just seem to be avoiding it. I'm not seeking a list, and I apologize if I came across too flippant. The issue is the measure that is used to define what parts of law we continue to observe in the new covenant and how this can be biblically defended. I'm struggling to understand the logic in what to keep and what not to keep as it pertains to SDA except that it seems to be a unique SDA tradition. Simply saying it's that which is written upon our hearts or that which we have been baptized into Christ is a failure to address the issue critically, and will force me to think it cannot be critically defended (biblically or otherwise). These are serious matters to me, I don't come here just to stir the pot, I'm looking for some iron to sharpen me, please don't disappoint.
 
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It could literally be written out by God and people still wouldn't believe. And He literally did just that.
I know you affirm the 10, but what else is added on. It's a serious question but if you don't want to answer it just say so.
 
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I know you affirm the 10, but what else is added on. It's a serious question but if you don't want to answer it just say so.
I think accepting the Ten Commandments, the Testimony of God, the ones God spoke and wrote Himself, should be a good starting point. There is not any other law that we are to keep, that would not fit under one of the Ten Commandments the way Jesus explained them (magnified Isa42:21 Mat5:19-30) because they are exceedingly broad. Psa119:96. Lets elevate the works of God Exo32:16 just the way Moses did, he never elevated man over God. Lets let God by God, He is not only our Savior, He is a King, and kings have rules, God never left His up to man to write, they belong to Him, we as His servant, should want to obey and serve Him, because of love Isa56:6 John14:15 Exo20:6
 
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