TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

probinson · 2025-11-10T08:17:44-0600

rambot said:
Interesting strategy. So lying prone on the ground while he's kicking you, you'd just...get up and walk away and he'd just be in awe and stop pummelling you.
Edit:
Also, this ACTUALLY relates to gerrymandering not at all.

What an inane thing to say. Why would I just lay on the ground and let someone kick me? Why would I not get up and walk away?

Yeesh. And I realize this has nothing to do with gerrymandering, but I was just responding to the horrible analogy presented to me.

probinson · 2025-11-10T08:22:09-0600

rambot said:
So Republicans won't extend the credit and don't want Americans to save that money and spend it on food and such?

I don't know what Republicans will or won't do regarding credits. What I do know is that the CR keeps things as they were. And today, it looks like enough Democrats have agreed to open the government on the Biden budget and THEN negotiate additional spending.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-10T08:27:17-0600

rjs330 said:
Holy Cow you guys act like this has never been done before by the Democrats. Gerry mandering has been a thing for a long time in both parties. Except California passed a law against it. I guess they changed their mind huh?

Yep. And republicans are horrified and offended. "You're doing the same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAAA!!"

The answer of course, is to ban the rigging of districts for any reason. But the Supreme Court is so corrupt that it will take a new law to stop this debasement of democracy.

durangodawood · 2025-11-10T08:39:32-0600

rjs330 said:
Holy Cow you guys act like this has never been done before by the Democrats.

No we dont.

rjs330 said:
Gerry mandering has been a thing for a long time in both parties. Except California passed a law against it. I guess they changed their mind huh?

Which party do you expect to voluntarily put themselves at a unilateral disadvantage?

What we all need is for gerrymandering to be illegal across the board.

rambot · 2025-11-10T09:13:00-0600

probinson said:
What an inane thing to say. Why would I just lay on the ground and let someone kick me? Why would I not get up and walk away?

Lol
Why do you think they'd just let you get up and walk away?

probinson · 2025-11-10T11:24:04-0600

rambot said:
Lol
Why do you think they'd just let you get up and walk away?

For someone who clearly knows that this has nothing to do with gerrymandering, you sure seem interested in continuing this meaningless discussion.

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T20:50:03-0600

probinson said:
What an inane thing to say. Why would I just lay on the ground and let someone kick me? Why would I not get up and walk away?

Because the next time you go into the bar he'll do exactly the same thing. He wants to do it and nobody is stopping him. Including you. If every time you turn the other cheek he slaps it then at some point you have to get up off the floor, say enough is enough and smack the guy back.

Y'know what? The rest of the bar will give a little cheer and people will want to buy you a beer.

Keep walking out and 1) you lose respect from everyone. And 2) you keep getting beat up every time you walk back in.

Or, if the analogy is too obscure for you, if you're the Dems and you accept every dirty trick the GOP hits you with and do nothing then 1) you lose the respect of those who voted for you. And 2) the GOP will carry on doing it.

rjs330 · 2025-11-10T21:59:04-0600

The Barbarian said:
Yep. And republicans are horrified and offended. "You're doing the same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAAA!!"

Democrats were horrified and offended. "You're doing rhe same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAA!! We are going to change the laws so we can do it more!"

Look, I don't really care myself. Its been part of the process for Democrats and Republicans forever. Now someone wants to be upset? Give me a break. Democrats-"You're doing what we've been doing so we are going to raise a stink!"
Republicans-"No You're doing what we are doing, so we are going to raise a stink!"

Neither side has a leg to stand on and certainly does not have the moral high ground. They are both rolling around in the mud equally.

rjs330 · 2025-11-10T22:02:00-0600

durangodawood said:
What we all need is for gerrymandering to be illegal across the board.

Agreed. But then certain groups would complain they are being discriminated against. I would seriously do a grid system with equal square miles.

A2SG · 2025-11-10T23:13:25-0600

probinson said:
What an inane thing to say. Why would I just lay on the ground and let someone kick me? Why would I not get up and walk away?

Yeesh. And I realize this has nothing to do with gerrymandering, but I was just responding to the horrible analogy presented to me.

I think you just missed the point of the analogy. Let me try to clarify: The bar is the country, the person kicking you is a political party resorting to unfair or dirty tricks to win an election. In this analogy, your solution, "just get up and walk away," would equate to leaving the country.

Is that your best solution for handling political disagreements or responding to unfair political tactics?

-- A2SG, metaphors can be hard sometimes....

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T08:13:03-0600

rjs330 said:
Democrats were horrified and offended. "You're doing rhe same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAA!! We are going to change the laws so we can do it more!"

No. They pretty much just started doing what the republicans do. And it was the republicans who started screaming about it.

rjs330 said:
Look, I don't really care myself. Its been part of the process for Democrats and Republicans forever. Now someone wants to be upset?

Gov. Abbott of Texas had a conniption over it. All that work he did to disenfranchise democrats, all for nothing.

What scares them, is a level playing field. For good reason.

probinson · 2025-11-11T08:19:18-0600

Bradskii said:
Because the next time you go into the bar

1) I don't go to bars.

Bradskii said:
he'll do exactly the same thing.

Sounds like a real problem for hypothetical guy. He really should deal with himself.

Bradskii said:
He wants to do it and nobody is stopping him.

I kinda feel sorry for hypothetical guy as you describe him. What an empty, broken life, just beating up random people.

Bradskii said:
Including you. If every time you turn the other cheek he slaps it then at some point you have to get up off the floor, say enough is enough and smack the guy back.

Or, I could just go somewhere else, since apparently the owners don't care enough to stop hypothetical guy from smacking their other customers around for no apparent reason.

Bradskii said:
Y'know what? The rest of the bar will give a little cheer and people will want to buy you a beer.

Oh boy! Adulation and praise from a bunch of drunks! (2) I don't drink beer). And now I kind of feel sorry for hypothetical guy number two that craves acceptance from random drunks in a bar.

Bradskii said:
Keep walking out and 1) you lose respect from everyone.

Why on earth would I care what a bunch of drunks think about me?

Bradskii said:
And 2) you keep getting beat up every time you walk back in.

I already told you, I'll just go somewhere else where hypothetical guy that beats me up for no reason isn't allowed.

Bradskii said:
Or, if the analogy is too obscure for you,

Not obscure. Inane.

probinson · 2025-11-11T08:21:00-0600

A2SG said:
I think you just missed the point of the analogy.

As I've said twice now, the analogy is inane. It has no real point.

probinson · 2025-11-11T08:28:17-0600

It would appear that integrity is just not an important quality for most people when speaking of their politics. However, it is paramount for me.

When someone tells me one thing and then does the opposite, they are, by definition, a hypocrite. I don't care what the circumstances are.

Now you can choose to believe me or not, but I have done things to my own detriment because of my integrity. As a simple example, I've been in games that I've lost because the other person or team cheated. But that doesn't make it OK for me to cheat in response.

I "understand" this "hit back" mantra that is being pushed here. I disagree with it. Integrity means something to me. And while hypothetical guy in the "analogy" lost the respect of others because he wouldn't stoop to the level of the bully, the exact opposite is true for me. Someone who holds fast to what they believe will gain far more respect from me than someone who discards their principles on a whim.

Once upon a time, the Democrats at least gave lip service to the idea that they would "go high" when their opponents "go low". Not any more. We're all in the mud now with seemingly no escape, because that's what happens when you sacrifice your integrity.

durangodawood · 2025-11-11T08:31:44-0600

rjs330 said:
Agreed. But then certain groups would complain they are being discriminated against. I would seriously do a grid system with equal square miles.

Thats absurd. As much as Im an environmentalist, its people who need representation in congress. Not grass and ants. No people are entitled to more powerful representation than others just because of where they live

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T11:06:33-0600

probinson said:
I "understand" this "hit back" mantra that is being pushed here. I disagree with it. Integrity means something to me.

It's just both parties now following the same rules. Supreme Court says corrupt districting is O.K. so long as the primary intent in to give one's party an unfair advantage. And now republicans are furious that democrats have started following the new rules, too.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-11T11:07:41-0600

durangodawood said:
Thats absurd. As much as Im an environmentalist, its people who need representation in congress. Not grass and ants. No people are entitled to more powerful representation than others just because of where they live

The key is that each group should have representation proportional to their proportion of the population.

probinson · 2025-11-11T11:27:00-0600

The Barbarian said:
It's just both parties now following the same rules. Supreme Court says corrupt districting is O.K. so long as the primary intent in to give one's party an unfair advantage. And now republicans are furious that democrats have started following the new rules, too.

As an independent, I'm not "furious". I'm just discouraged.

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