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Trump to add $100,000 fee for H-1B visas under new proposal

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The program is capped at 65,000 new visas each year, although an additional 20,000 can be issued for employees with a master's degree or higher, according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

We needed a president to finally stand up for American workers.
 

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The article points out that most of these visas are for software developers. My first job after grad school was with a computer timesharing company and there was one H1-B hire.

My very last job had at least a half dozen H1-B hires.

With the first company the job most likely would have meant an unfilled slot.

With the last company the jobs would pretty much have been moved offshore and if that went far enough it could have resulted in the center of development being offshore. That would have meant jobs held by native born Americans would leave the country, along with the income tax related to those jobs.
 
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Mostly symbolic than anything, since tech companies really aren't hiring people without extensive experience anyways. The jobs that H1-B's used to do, are being done by more experienced workers assisted by AI now, so they spend their time more productively.
 
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My son hires for one for of the largest American tech companies. His team is mostly Asians and Indians on H-1b visas. He states it is rare that the American candidates are the best. He sees it as flaws in our education system, less parental pressure over education and performance, and personal motivation. If he is right and if the American tech industry hires lesser candidates simply because they are American, do we start to lose innovation and keeping pace with the world for not hiring the best? I think you do not make America great again by not hiring the best of the best.
 
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I think an unintended consequence of this decision will be that large tech companies having an international presence will merely move more work to India if they can't bring the skilled workers here that they need. Short-sighted thinking in my estimation.
 
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He sees it as flaws in our education system, less parental pressure over education and performance, and personal motivation.

Are you familiar with the Asian school system? It’s very competitive and most Americans wouldn’t push their children that much or agree to it either. As for parental pressure, honor holds a different place in their culture and you can’t ignore the reality of tiger moms.

Tiger parenting is a form of strict parenting, whereby parents are highly invested in ensuring their children's success. Specifically, tiger parents push their children to attain high levels of academic achievement or success in high-status extracurricular activities such as music or sports.

The notion of a "tiger parent" is analogous to other authoritarian parenting stereotypes, such as the American stage mother, the Japanese kyōiku mama, and the "Jewish mother". Other similar or related terms include helicopter parent, monster parents, and Hong Kong Kids phenomenon.


You’re not going to match them through public education or parochial schools either. You’d have to go private and secure a place in a top day school and board if possible. That’s where futures are solidified not universities and they’re feeders too. Nevertheless, I think there’s some truth in what he said.

I dated a Chinese gentleman in the past and he was very successful. His cv is a parent’s dream and he’s very driven. I convinced him to pursue a side hustle to address his excess energy and he never stopped. He works full-time and teaches classes at an Ivy in the evening in addition to volunteering. I’m not talking soup kitchens. They’re professional positions that look good on a resume and build connections within your industry. And his approach to networking was top notch. He’s an introvert by nature and combatted it by meeting with business leaders once a week for a meal or drinks.

As you might imagine he earns a lot. But his father asked him when he’d start making money because it wasn’t enough. I was honestly surprised by his statement. But his standard was high and his wife didn‘t work and he retired with millions. She was the 1950s housewife they’re cosplaying today. Submissive, domestic, very involved in their education, friendly with neighbors and welcoming to children and volunteered often. She wasn’t idle. As a result, her children are successful (his sister is an engineer turned entrepreneur) with great work ethics.

While I have some of the qualities of tiger parents I wouldn’t go as far as they do. There must be balance. On the other hand, there’s a line Dustin Hoffman uttered in the Medici series that I love. He told his son I gave you life and I’ll tell you what to do with it. The comment is rooted in legacy and that’s how dynasties are built. Every one has a role and if that’s your mindset you’ll go far if you know how to lead and your family is agreeable.

We’re known for our individualism and it’s also our achilles heel. Whereas I see family as a unit based on everyone who emerges from my loins and thereafter. That isn’t a slight against my relatives. I don’t have the same authority with them nor did I shape them. But I can set the tone with mine.

Unfortunately, there’s a noticeable lack of vision in many homes. Going to school and getting a good job is not a vision or a plan. Nor is buying a house. Where does it lead and what is the end result? The rinse and repeat should be a sign that it isn’t working. I’m reminded of a couple I watch on YouTube. They retired and sold their home and purchased a 40 acre farm. The couple has three children and divided the property in 10 acre portions to accommodate everyone and two have joined them.

Because of their wisdom they’re able to reduce their expenses, grow their own food, support one another and spend time with their grandchildren and work in the family business (market stand). You get ahead by working together and pooling your resources. Foreigners understand that but we don’t.

~bella
 
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Are you familiar with the Asian school system? It’s very competitive and most Americans wouldn’t push their children that much or agree to it either. As for parental pressure, honor holds a different place in their culture and you can’t ignore the reality of tiger moms.
I am aware and I agree. It boils down to do we want the best of who is available or do we just want Americans? The job will get done; it is only a question as to whether companies will do it in the U.S. or have their Asian branches do it instead. But, hiring Americans sure does sound good to the base. Because they're really not very fond of "them" right now anyway. It's a global encomy; either we join in or we get left behind.
 
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I am aware and I agree. It boils down to do we want the best of who is available or do we just want Americans? The job will get done; it is only a question as to whether companies will do it in the U.S. or have their Asian branches do it instead. But, hiring Americans sure does sound good to the base. Because they're really not very fond of "them" right now anyway. It's a global encomy; either we join in or we get left behind.
Foreign students are being chosen over our top notch American students. A foreign country donates big time and they expect their students to be accepted. So too there is bias against Jewish and Christian Americans.
 
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Foreign students are being chosen over our top notch American students. A foreign country donates big time and they expect their students to be accepted. So too there is bias against Jewish and Christian Americans.
My son who hires for one of the biggest tech companies laments that American candidates often just aren't the best in the applicant pool. Should American companies settle for less than the best just because they are American? Is that the way for your company to race to the top?
 
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My son who hires for one of the biggest tech companies laments that American candidates often just aren't the best in the applicant pool. Should American companies settle for less than the best just because they are American? Is that the way for your company to race to the top?
Tech jobs vary widely, there are certainly many outstanding Americans in tech. No doubt particular backgrounds are sometimes needed and there may not be enough in a particular area.
 
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Tech jobs vary widely, there are certainly many outstanding Americans in tech.
I agree, My son is one of them. He just can't find enough others like him to fill out his team. Interstingly, I asked him this weekend if the change in HB-1 visas changed hiring practices in his org. His answer was, "No."
 
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We need educated American workers who can do the jobs that these foreigners are being hired to do.
The article points out that most of these visas are for software developers. My first job after grad school was with a computer timesharing company and there was one H1-B hire.

My very last job had at least a half dozen H1-B hires.

That is the bulk of H1-B applicants these days.

We get applications from several of them looking to secure a job offer so they can apply for said visa.

To respond to @Aryeh Jay , we do have qualified people who are willing to do software and database administration jobs, but they won't do it for the "30% under market value" an H1-B applicant would do it for.


@keith99 , my company has 2. But we get several applicants per month.

Thankfully our company has a multi-part interview process that involves an interview that a Sr. or Principal-level person has to sit in on as part of the process. A lot of the people applying are blowing smoke and most HR recruiters and HR managers aren't tech-savvy enough to call them out on their bovine excrement.


They're actually not better at it, nor are they even more educated. There are countries that prop up diploma/degree mills specifically to monetize an industry that helps people get jobs in other countries.


While HR people are much more familiar with the "scam schools" in the US, they're not as familiar with the overseas counterparts.

India, Indonesia, and Bangladesh have no shortage of "colleges" and "technical schools" that are basically the foreign equivalent of DeVry and ITT Tech.
 
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Mostly symbolic than anything, since tech companies really aren't hiring people without extensive experience anyways. The jobs that H1-B's used to do, are being done by more experienced workers assisted by AI now, so they spend their time more productively.

That's not as true as you may be led to believe...

We're still hiring people who would be considered "noobs" (they're either right out of college, or they have some certifications but haven't ever done it in a professional environment)

H1-B applicants from the tech field were playing the game of "go to a bogus diploma mill that an American recruiter or HR coordinator wouldn't recognize the name of, and make a salary demand that's significantly lower"


While I can't obviously provide any personal experience with other fields out there in the market... the experience I've had with H1-B folks has been "you get what you pay for"

AI assistance is only as useful as the person feeding it the prompts.
 
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My son who hires for one of the biggest tech companies laments that American candidates often just aren't the best in the applicant pool. Should American companies settle for less than the best just because they are American? Is that the way for your company to race to the top?

While that may be true for you son's company, there's no shortage of companies (that are non-tech, but have an IT department) who have HR staff who are so technically illiterate that they wouldn't spot even the most glaring red flags during interview processes.


This is a true story...

An applicant applied with my company ("my" as in the company I work for, I don't own it), and as I noted in my previous post, the 2nd interview always involves a Sr. tech person to sniff out any excrement.

There was a guy from India who applied with us and did a virtual interview, and no joke...in the interview stated he was an expert in "hatchtemel"...what's "hatchtemel" you ask? That was him phonetically pronouncing "HTML" despite having no clue what it was upon further probing lol...and his code sample that we ask everyone to submit was an "easy to find online" template that he downloaded off the web, and attached the zip file to application.

According to his LinkedIn, he ended up being a "technical coordinator" for a graphic design firm in the greater St. Louis area a month later and then "#OpenToWork" a few weeks after that. So not every company is checking this stuff until it's probably too late lol.
 
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