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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

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I wish God will change this country, but so far it looks like he is just allowing the evil and darkness to complete it's natural conclusion. The very sad part is a lot of it is being done on purpose and they are now very emboldened.

It might also well be too late unless there is a very radical event.

I'm glad for these threads because I am part of the same age group and at least good to know I'm not the only one in my boat that feels this way.
 
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If a handful of fringe minorities by way of the internet can appear to dominate the political spectrum and change society as we have seen in the last decade, then there is no reason for those not walking in the ways of mankind to do the same.
 
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All the Christian spreading of peace and love didn't stop or slow down the collapse from happening, in fact the factors leading to it just grew unchec
Perhaps because they used political methods. You can't change the world by using its own tools.
 
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Perhaps because they used political methods. You can't change the world by using its own tools.
Those who didn't want to use political methods didn't change it in a noticeable way either.
 
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Those who didn't want to use political methods didn't change it in a noticeable way either.
Of course not.. they were too few, although the idea behind the ten commandments did influence a great part of civilization. Even the 60's that got off to a good start following the same ideology quickly became tainted and fell apart in no time. It is meant to be an individual change and a one to one relationship with God for now. It is not time yet for a reverse of polarity.
 
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Of course not.. they were too few, although the idea behind the ten commandments did influence a great part of civilization. Even the 60's that got off to a good start following the same ideology quickly became tainted and fell apart in no time. It is meant to be an individual change and a one to one relationship with God for now. It is not time yet for a reverse of polarity.
These people will not ever face justice either, except for Hell maybe. But what's the point of that?
 
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We should see the administration of this country, America, is pushing things recklessly and it would come to disasters, so easily.
It, like other nations and even thre institutional church, always have, seeking to fit into the ways of the world and teaching self-interest, adversity to the will of God rather than the ways of the Kingdom. All self oriented.
 
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I wish God will change this country, but so far it looks like he is just allowing the evil and darkness to complete it's natural conclusion. The very sad part is a lot of it is being done on purpose and they are now very emboldened.

It might also well be too late unless there is a very radical event.

I'm glad for these threads because I am part of the same age group and at least good to know I'm not the only one in my boat that feels this way.
Its too late and was always going to be this way. In fact I believe it has taken a giant step towards that end. I can see it in my own lifetime in how people have rejected God and chaos has resulted.

But remember though God allows such things there is a limit. Remember S & G and even the Egyptians and even the Hebrews when they rejected God this set off a series of bad stuff happening. Usually it was through natural disasters. But I believe the earth is also moving towards this end and is groaning and shifting as evil is thrust upon it.

It all goes hand in hand and humans have cultivated their own destruction. We will see many great disasters even topling great idols and icons of the world. Eathquakes and eruptions as the earth shifts into a time of upheavel. But also fighting in the streets and rebellion and hate and chaos.

This is what happens when we reject God. Its always been the same and we can predict it. I think now in the west we have moved more away from God than at anytime since Christ. We are now in the Godless period once again.

But this time its Empire and perhaps even on a worldwide scale and not just a city or people warring. But there are dark principalities rising up against each other.

Christians are together and seperate from this in Christ. Like the early church under the Roman pagan world. We will be the light to the world in this in all this darkness.
 
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God has battled adversity since before the creation of our universe. Again, as I have said, there is a necessary plan in place to set things right but that is often overlooked because it is hard for us to comprehend the time required to have both elohim and man properly adapt to the knowledge of good and evil. Remember, creation is made up of opposites and for elohim and man alike, and for both to be servants to God rather than self-serving despots, we all must come to terms in dealing with this knowledge without trying to assume control. It is God's plan, but He is timeless while to us it seems forever for His plan to come to fruition.

As a side note but of extreme relevance, we can look back on the Nuremberg trials after WW II. It focused on the leaders of Nazi Germany and a psychiatrist that was charged with determining whether they were sane enough to stand trial for their crimes. He came to the stunning reality that they were indeed sane and intelligent, cool and calm, yet extremely evil and manipulative, turning the concept of evil on its head. These men saw their thinking and leadership as superior and godlike. This, of course corresponds with how the powers and principalities, the rebellious elohim, have always influenced leaders to control the people and to do the will of God's elohim adversaries. It happened pre-flood, post Babel, and all through time until now as these rebellious elohim exert their influence upon willing mankind. It produced wars among nations but there has been a frightening change.

We now live in an age where the electric power of the air fuels communication. Turn on the tv, radio or internet. Media has become the new elohim influenced leader of humanity, and humanity itself has taken on the character of those former Nazi leaders. We've gone from isolated warring nations to a global warring of leaderless people against people, not of nations but even in the home. It only took 50 years for this to happen and today it is not just the leaders but the people themselves that have taken on this evil attitude in their continuing and growing support of divisiveness and self-authoritarianism. The obvious result of this will be world-wide annihilation of each other and we not longer follow leaders but all assume the role of evil itself in pursuing this divisiveness and hating family and neighbour, contrary to the will of God. It's all part of God's greater plan but it ain't gonna be pretty as the grain is separated from the tares.
 
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America is a nation that is advanced in medicine, religion, justice, and government. Yet we have killed over 65 million children in the womb.
There is a "just recompense of reward" at work in nature and the spirit world. You cannot kill 1/6th of your population and think it is going to go well with you. The blood of tens of millions is crying from the ground for vengeance. Is this something that can be repented from? What about justice for the 65 million? I think we are foolish if we believe nothing will happen. The land is sickened by this and wants to vomit us out for this abomination. We knew better. This nation will pay. Save as many as you can. The holocaust continues.
 
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