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How does this not contradict what you just said to me in this post?
You just said that we can’t do anything unless God gives it to us to someone else then told me that we can act against His will. So when someone sins or reflects God are they acting according to His will or against it?
Obviously you know nothing about church history. Those were the only three denominations of Christianity before the reformation and it’s indisputable. Also I never said that I support the Roman Catholic Church. But you can’t deny that the Roman Catholic Church wasn’t established by the apostles because Paul wrote the entire Epistle to the Roman church in Romans. If you knew anything about church history you’d know that. If you knew anything about church history you’d know about the schism of 1054. You don’t know that because it’s not important to you what the early church taught and what happened to the early church otherwise you would’ve studied it. It’s indisputable that the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Eastern Oriental Church were all planted by the apostles. If you knew anything about church history you’d recognize that what you’re saying is that every single church planted by the apostles, who endured persecution and even martyrdom because of their enduring faith in the gospel, who were spread out across thousands of miles apart, all decided to preach a different gospel WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE OF ANY RESISTANCE WHATSOEVER. These thousands upon thousands of believers who were spread out across thousands of miles with no type of communication other than meeting in person or letters all unanimously decided to preach a different gospel as soon as the apostles were dead even to the point of dying for that false gospel? So stop pretending that you know anything about church history because it’s obvious to everyone in this thread that you don’t.
Oh so 1 John 2:19 is about the churches in Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem? Congratulations you just cherry picked a passage of scripture and applied it to the apostolic churches when NOTHING IN THE ENTIRE EPISTLE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE CHURCHES. You just conjured that out of thin air by your imagination.
Jesus did not come to rescue the poor from their poverty. He came to save those that the Father gave Him. My Church doesn't donate money to the charity organisations. We only send money to our sister Churches, so they can reach more people with the gospel.
It sounds like you have taken the word "marvelling" way out of it's intended context. According to your version of the gospel, everything takes God by surprise. So He was shocked by their unwillingness to repent.
What a load of trash that is, I asked you to find a single verse in the bible to support your silly unbiblical version of the gospel, which you claim exists, but you have never ever found it and I told you that you will never find it because iot doesn't exist.
Unlike yourself, I don't pretend to know about the things that God has deliberately hidden. Why are you rejecting those scriptures I showed you, where God Himself confirms that He has hidden these things.
Now your ignorance is on full display, first of all Gods Word says that we are saved by faith, but you twist it backwards and say "no God, that's not true, the truth is I am saved by my faith"
Yes Sir, many have or will come to Christ and fall away, but only the elect will remain because they were saved by Christ and not their works. Those who bring their filthy rags to the table will fall away, because they were never of us, for if they were of us they would have remained with us.
Your welcome to place your trust in sinful men, but I only trust in the Lord Jesus, because Gods Word warns us about your heroes. It says, "cursed is the man who trusts man".
Sorry but your dead wrong again, because you failed to take in to consideration the bible doctrine of "IRRESISTABLE GRACE" which confirms that you are wrong and the truth is "The only thing we can do is say yes"
Man, you have twisted the scriptures there way out of their intended context. The first two you mentioned, are describing those who will be cast into hell. Just because God doesn't cast them into the lake of fire today, doesn't mean that He is winking at their sin, it just means He's fattening that calf for the slaughter, but you probably haven't bothered to study the scripture which reveal this truth.
We need to make the distinction between the two types of people in the world. Gods people, the elect can't do anything to obey the gospel unless God gives us the ability to obey.
Could you please confirm that you don't believe that salvation is a result of your choice to believe in the death and resurrection of Christ. If this is what you believe then you were not saved by grace, but you were saved by your choice to believe.
My full stance is that Ephesians 2:8-9 has been edited. " it is " is an added in phrase, denoted as such with italics in most good Bibles.
This is what you always do, you make a claim then don’t actually explain anything. Your responses are about as informative as simply saying “nuh uh”. Why don’t you actually give an explanation for what it means for God to marvel at their unbelief?
THEN EXPLAIN THE VERSES. All you do is say “nuh uh” and pretend like you’ve made some sort of theological explanation. EXPLAIN THE VERSES I QUOTED.
There is no biblical doctrine of irresistible grace. And no one speaks about “external influence” here, but about internal work, about grace, being resisted.
