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BNR32FAN said:
I’ve never refuted predestination at all. We are chosen according to God’s foreknowledge, according to His prognosis. The word predestined means to choose or appoint beforehand, to preordain. I’ve never refuted that at all. We were chosen according to His foreknowledge before the foundation of the world and written in the book of life. How is that not predestination?
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Wow, it's taken you a long time to come out of the closet and admit that God predestined people to salvation before He created the earth. He wrote the names of every single one of His elect in the book of life.
Then you would also believe that no names can be taken out of His book, nor can any names be added. So His chosen were decided before time began.

If you believe all that, then many will label you a hyper Calvinist, how do you feel about that.
 
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BNR32FAN said:
Then by all means please do provide an accurate interpretation of the passage.
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Genesis 6:5-6 emphasizes that humanity's "imaginations" were continuously and wholly evil, a result of a deeply corrupted human heart that grieved God.
This passage is not evidence that God changes His mind or that His creation was a mistake, but it's an expression of God's sorrow over sin and its destructive effects. God's "regret" is a human-like expression of His pain at the rebellion and perversion of what He had made.
 
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BNR32FAN said:
So then what do you do with the passages that say that Noah, Job, Abraham, Lot, and Zachariah were righteous men?
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Those men were exactly the same as myself, we are all born again Christians, who God quickened out of our state of death in sin and He regenerated us, gave us the gift of faith and the rest is History.

The only difference between myself and those men, is that they placed their God given faith in the coming Messiah and I place my faith in the Messiah who has come and is to return, but He is One and the same Saviour and Redeemer.

John 17:9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours".

Notice how Jesus doesn't even pray for the world at all, He only prays for those whom the Father gave Him. In other words He only prays for the elect of God.
This idea that Jesus attempted to save every single person is false, if that's what He set out to do then He's a loser, who failed in His mission.

Don't try to use John 3:16 tom say that God tried and failed to save the whole world. That verse was confirming that God is not only going to save the Jews, but He will save people from every tribe and tongue, in other words (people from all over the world) Not every single person in thew world. We know that Jesus is going to cast many professing Christians into hell, so He certainly didn't die for them.
 
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Dan1988 said:
Sorry, but the Bible does not support your view that "we must do this or that, in order to be saved". The Bible never ever says this anywhere.
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No, you’ve simply summarily rejected any passage that says otherwise.
 
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Dan1988 said:
What's with the false accusations, where did you get the notion that I follow some 16th century theologians. I'd be interested to know, who lied to you and why you believe what slanderers say.
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Yeah, it’s called Calvinism and reformed theology for a reason, because they didn’t exist before the 16th century. So how is that a false accusation? I mean unload you can show a church that taught it before the 16th century.
 
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Dan1988 said:
You presented no evidence, I don't believe in those men you follow. I only follow the Lord Jesus, you can have those wise guys all to yourself
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No you said that free will came from Gnosticism.

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Man has no free will, that's something the Gnostics conjured up, but there's nothing in the bible to support such a silly idea.
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So show us where you got that information from?

And you claim that I didn’t provide any evidence of what the early church taught when I quoted an early church theologian who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of John. I don’t know maybe you’re confusing the definition of evidence with the definition of proof but they’re not the same thing.
 
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Dan1988 said:
That's right, Genesis 6:5-6 doesn't say any such silly thing. Why are you obsessed with making stuff up. Don't you know that those who add or take away from Gods Word will suffer all of the plagues described in the book of Revelation. Yes that includes the lake of fire.

Where does it say that "God doesn't desire for man to sin",,,, answer NOWHERE!!!
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Yet it says that God was grieved in His heart. Not only that but you also have Ezekiel 33:11 where God Himself says that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and wants them to repent and live.

“Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭33‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So you can ignore these verses but the fact remains that they are scripture whether you accept them or not v
 
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Dan1988 said:
Wow, it's taken you a long time to come out of the closet and admit that God predestined people to salvation before He created the earth. He wrote the names of every single one of His elect in the book of life.
Then you would also believe that no names can be taken out of His book, nor can any names be added. So His chosen were decided before time began.

If you believe all that, then many will label you a hyper Calvinist, how do you feel about that.
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Lol that’s hilarious, you completely overlooked the fact the He chose them according to His foreknowledge. That a very important factor the keep in mind. So what did God foreknow that influenced His decision on choosing them? Well for one thing we have to abide in Christ and endure to the end. So I’d say that is what He foreknew that influenced His decision. That’s my theory, what’s your’s?
 
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Dan1988 said:
Genesis 6:5-6 emphasizes that humanity's "imaginations" were continuously and wholly evil, a result of a deeply corrupted human heart that grieved God.
This passage is not evidence that God changes His mind or that His creation was a mistake, but it's an expression of God's sorrow over sin and its destructive effects. God's "regret" is a human-like expression of His pain at the rebellion and perversion of what He had made.
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I never said He changed His mind about anything. The passage says that God grieved in His heart because man was so evil. That automatically tells us that God did not want man to sin. To say otherwise is just downright illogical.
 
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