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The Schumer Shutdown

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How would they make that happen, and why don't they want to?
Not my area of expertise. What have Republicans ever brought to the table regarding retirement or healthcare other than to cut it.
 
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Was Marco Rubio lying? If so, what are the real numbers?

He provided anecdotal evidence. What are the real numbers is something he should have provided instead of ”trust me”
 
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He provided anecdotal evidence. What are the real numbers is something he should have provided instead of ”trust me”
How do you know he didn't provide real numbers?
 
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Not my area of expertise. What have Republicans ever brought to the table regarding retirement or healthcare other than to cut it.
What have the Democrats done? As low end working class I had wonderful healthcare, until Obamacare ruined it and I ended up without coverage. If I became a bum, then I would've gotten coverage.
 
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What have the Democrats? As low end working class I had wonderful healthcare, until Obamacare ruined it and I ended up with no coverage.
At lest some Democrats have pushed for a Medicare for all type model. Insurance tied to employment is not helping anything. At a minimum, all healthcare insurance needs to be removed from employer benefit packages and put on the open market like auto and home insurance to bring in actual competition on premiums.
 
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At lest some Democrats have pushed for a Medicare for all type model. Insurance tied to employment is not helping anything. At a minimum, all healthcare insurance needs to be removed from employer benefit packages and put on the open market like auto and home insurance to bring in actual competition on premiums.
Is it a realistic practical workable model? There is a Healthcare Marketplace. But I don't know how it compares to auto and home insurance along those lines.
 
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Is it a realistic practical workable model? There is a Healthcare Marketplace. But I don't know how it compares to auto and home insurance along those lines.
I would prefer commercial insurance be completely optional with everyone on Medicare. Medicare is already a proven model that can be configured for universal coverage.

My employer recently changed insurance coverage, all my providers went out of network with it and less coverage. My option is to accept and adapt to what is now offered now or look for a new employer and hope their coverage offered is better. I shouldn’t need to consider changing jobs because of healthcare coverage. Employer and healthcare coverage should be two unrelated decisions.
 
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At lest some Democrats have pushed for a Medicare for all type model. Insurance tied to employment is not helping anything. At a minimum, all healthcare insurance needs to be removed from employer benefit packages and put on the open market like auto and home insurance to bring in actual competition on premiums.
Americans can either have a healthcare system that provides for all people free at the point of service, or a military budget approaching $1,000,000,000,000.

Guess which one we have?
 
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Was Marco Rubio lying? If so, what are the real numbers?

Hang on - that video is over 60 seconds!

You asking me to invest more than a teaspoon of my brain on something MAGA?
 
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I would prefer commercial insurance be completely optional with everyone on Medicare. Medicare is already a proven model that can be configured for universal coverage.
Hmmm - not quite.

The Federal government should:-
1. Have Medicare give universal health cover for life-saving hospital care to all citizens. It's a human right.
2. Buy over half the hospitals so that they are Government Owned and Operated.
3. Create a Federal agency (like Australia's PBS) to buy bulk generic meds and equipment with economies of scale to drive down cost per unit.
These 3 pillars are the only way to cover ALL citizens at HALF the price!
America could save $1 TRILLION a year!
Healthcare in the United States - Wikipedia

RESULT: Australian citizens go to the doctors more, go earlier, get diagnosed earlier, and treat the condition sooner - which has better outcomes but is also cheaper!
U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2022: Accelerating Spending, Worsening Outcomes

EG: WHY AMERICAN BIG PHARMA HATES AUSTRALIA’S PBS
US pharmaceutical giants urge Trump to put further tariffs on Australia
 
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Why can’t we have better retirement and healthcare for everyone? Republicans don’t want to make that happen for anyone.
How would they make that happen,
A single payer health care plan would be the best, most efficient and most cost effective method, and it would cover everyone, but the GOP has always stood firm against that idea. Their idea was proposed by the Heritage Foundation and became the ACA, or what's called Obamacare.

So, if you don't like Obamacare, blame the Heritage Foundation. They came up with it.

and why don't they want to?
Money, dear boy. The for profit health insurance industry generates millions of dollars in profit EVERY YEAR, and a lot of that money goes right to financing GOP reelections.

-- A2SG, as always, follow the money.....
 
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it is reversing legislation that passed both house and the President signed into law. They can’t get it done legislatively, so they are holding the country hostage trying to force their way.
That's odd. I thought they were using legislative procedure. Is voting against cloture not a valid Senate procedural position?
 
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Ohio rep Joyce Beatty is currently hosting a live stream regarding the shutdown on Facebook.


 
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Yes, for-profit health insurance companies donate money to fund democratic candidates. They also donate a little bit more to republican ones.


That these for-profit insurance companies have enough money generated in profits (millions every single year) simply shows where a lot of health care dollars are going instead of to actually pay for health care for people.

Another reason we need to dismantle the entire industry, and adopt a single payer system, which would be a lot more cost effective than the current model we're using.

-- A2SG, thank the Heritage Foundation, which came up with the idea behind the ACA in the first place....
 
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Next week, enrollment at the Heathcare.gov marketplace will begin. But people who are enrolled in government subsidized health plans are already shopping options....

Premiums nationwide are set to rise by 18 percent on average, according to an analysis of preliminary rate filings by the nonpartisan health policy group KFF. That, combined with the loss of extra subsidies, have left Americans with the worst year-over-year price hikes in the 12 years since the marketplaces launched.

Nationally, the average marketplace consumer will pay $1,904 in annual premiums next year, up from $888 in 2025, according to KFF.


In Georgia:

“We have people saying they will have to choose between their monthly premiums and mortgage,” said Natasha Taylor, deputy director of Georgia Watch, a consumer advocacy group.

For example, a family of four earning $82,000 a year in Georgia could see their annual premium double to around $7,000 for a plan with midrange coverage, according to a CBPP analysis. If that family earned at least $130,000, they would have to pay the full cost of the annual premium, about $24,000 instead of $11,000.

 
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