Persons in creation pre-existing conception?

God could have done that. But nowhere does the Bible say He did . . . that I know of.

However, God did know us before He made each of us. And before the creation of the universe, He already knew who will be conformed to the image of Jesus >

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)

I think that when someone is born in sin, a demon can be assigned to the sinner and the devil can affect the person's personality. I mean, the personality of the demon can more or less spread to the human. And then, of course, after the human dies the evil spirit can get assigned to a later human and affect that later human's personality so it can seem as though the former dead human has come back; but the personality of the later human has come from the evil spirit who gave that same personality to an earlier person. And, likewise, the evil spirit who affected a dead worldly person can still be around and seem like it is the "ghost" of the dead human; because it has the selfish personality which it shared with the dead human.

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

We who have been saved are in spiritual union with Jesus Himself in us now affecting our personality. We have been turned "from the power of Satan to God" > in Acts 26:18.

But Jesus did exist before He was in the womb of Mary. Jesus is God's own Son who has been with the Father "before the world was" >

"And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.'" (John 17:5)

And God is so pleased with His Son, that He determined to have many children who are like Jesus. He did not already have us like Jesus, back then, I would say, in any case. But in the future He will have changed us to be and to love like Jesus.

com7fy8 said:

God could have done that. But nowhere does the Bible say He did . . . that I know of.
However, God did know us before He made each of us. And before the creation of the universe, He already knew who will be conformed to the image of Jesus >
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)
I think that when someone is born in sin, a demon can be assigned to the sinner and the devil can affect the person's personality.

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Nor does the Bible say that demons are assigned to sinners. . .

But the Bible does say that we are by nature, objects of wrath (Eph 2:3), born with the sin of Adam charged/imputed to us (Ro 5:17, 18-19).

GoldenKingGaze said:

From Scripture, philosophy and experiences like those of near death survivors, do you think we existed before our conceptions in our mother's, or is it possible?

What were we, where did we come from?

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People who have "near death" experiences ... need to understand these experiences happen when the human body and brain are under severe distress ... not uncommon to have hallucinations.

As far as "pre-existence" ... I do know the Mormon religion believes we were "spirit children" before becoming human (the bible does not support this)

Seeds - each the male and female have "seeds" but it takes the two seeds to allow for a new human life to occur (procreation). So our "pre-existence) is as seeds.

The understanding from verses like Jeremiah 1:5 is not that humans pre-existed as conscious beings in heaven, but that they were known in the mind of God before they were formed ... He knew what the seeds would produce.

According to Genesis ... God formed man out of the dust of the earth and breathed life into him.
Genesis 2:7
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Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.

Then he created woman and bestowed the ability for them to procreate and this was the beginning of the human race.

When we die we return to this state (dust) ... until the Lord returns and resurrection occurs.
Genesis 3:19
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In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return.

The way I see it, our existence is an idea in God's mind. Along with every plant, animal, planet, star, etc. That's what we are before, during, and after this lifetime. Although we are individual people, we are nevertheless ideas in the mind of God.

Clare73 said:

Nor does the Bible say that demons are assigned to sinners. . .

But the Bible does say that we are by nature, objects of wrath (Eph 2:3), born with the sin of Adam charged/imputed to us (Ro 5:17, 18-19).

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And it does say there is >

"the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2)

So, it is not only assigned, but working within. This is not only imputed on some record but actually working in each disobedient person.

com7fy8 said:

And it does say there is >

"the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2)

So, it is not only assigned, but working within. This is not only imputed on some record but actually working in each disobedient person.

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Eph 2:2 refers to the influence over humanity through the realm of demonic power (the ruler of the kingdom of the air) that influences the disobedient.