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But as I wrote in Post 6: "That is not an intercession. She would have had to have said something like, "Please give them some wine," for it to have been an intercession."John chapter 2
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She essentially did. And Jesus obeyed her. So, yes, it is intercession from the perspective of the ancient apostolic Churches
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His reply to her was:She essentially did. And Jesus obeyed her. So, yes, it is intercession from the perspective of the ancient apostolic Churches
“Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”” (Joh 2:4 NKJV)
Hardly obeying her.
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Keep reading. He literally obeyed her. And the term woman was a sign of respect.
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Agree, mostly.
I don't know if "obey" is the correct word. Although, I'm not saying you are incorrect because there is the parent/child dynamic in play.
To intercede is "the action of intervening on behalf of another."
There's no doubt that Mary was intervening on behalf of those who were in need of more wine. That is intercession by definition.
There was a need, she knew the solution, and she took that need to the source of help on their behalf.
Again, I'm hesitant to say "obey" but there's no doubt that she influenced the subsequent action(s).
She then said, "Do what He says.." once again pointing to the source of help.
This is still the model for her intercession even today.
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But what order did Mary give Him that He obeyed? She just told Him what the situation was. She didn't say, "You perform a miracle and provide them with wine." I do agree that "woman" was a term of respect,
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A portion of Fulton Sheen's reflection on the Wedding Feast at Cana from "The Life of Christ"
"He was telling His mother that she was virtually pronouncing a sentence of death over Him. Few are the mothers who send their sons to battlefields; but here was one who was actually hastening the hour of her Son’s mortal conflict with the forces of evil. If He agreed to her request, He would be beginning His hour of death and glorification. To the Cross He would go with double commission, one from His Father in heaven, the other from His mother on earth. As soon as He had consented to begin His “Hour,” He proceeded immediately to tell her that her relations with Him would be henceforth changed. Until then, during His hidden life, she had been known as the mother of Jesus. But now that He was launched on the work of Redemption, she would no longer be just His mother, but also the mother of all His human brethren whom He would redeem. To indicate this new relationship, He now addressed her, not as “Mother” but as the “Universal Mother” or “Woman.” What a ring those words had to people who lived in the light of the Old Testament. When Adam fell, God spoke to Satan and foretold that He would put enmity between his seed and “the Woman,” for goodness would have a progeny as well as evil. The world would have not only the City of Man which Satan claimed as his own, but also the City of God. The “Woman” did have a seed, and it was her Seed that was standing now at the marriage feast, the Seed that would fall to the ground and die and then spring forth unto new life.
"He was telling His mother that she was virtually pronouncing a sentence of death over Him. Few are the mothers who send their sons to battlefields; but here was one who was actually hastening the hour of her Son’s mortal conflict with the forces of evil. If He agreed to her request, He would be beginning His hour of death and glorification. To the Cross He would go with double commission, one from His Father in heaven, the other from His mother on earth. As soon as He had consented to begin His “Hour,” He proceeded immediately to tell her that her relations with Him would be henceforth changed. Until then, during His hidden life, she had been known as the mother of Jesus. But now that He was launched on the work of Redemption, she would no longer be just His mother, but also the mother of all His human brethren whom He would redeem. To indicate this new relationship, He now addressed her, not as “Mother” but as the “Universal Mother” or “Woman.” What a ring those words had to people who lived in the light of the Old Testament. When Adam fell, God spoke to Satan and foretold that He would put enmity between his seed and “the Woman,” for goodness would have a progeny as well as evil. The world would have not only the City of Man which Satan claimed as his own, but also the City of God. The “Woman” did have a seed, and it was her Seed that was standing now at the marriage feast, the Seed that would fall to the ground and die and then spring forth unto new life.
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